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Article #104Re: Outsider viewpoint of CA power crisis
From: John Navas
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:03
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:03
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[POSTED TO ba.general - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE] In <3B0A237F.FF6FBADB@quiotix.com> on Tue, 22 May 2001 01:29:51 -0700, Jeffrey Siegal <jbs@quiotix.com> wrote: >John Navas wrote: >> 1. I don't think anti-trust laws would prevent such agreements among >> sovereign entities (states). > >Immunity is waived when a soveriegn entity acts in concert with >non-soverign entities. Since states are not the only buyers (indeed, >outside California, states are not significant buyers at all), a >meaningful "buyer's cartel" could not exist without involving >non-soveriegn entities. I sincerely mean no offense, but I disagree with both the interpretation and the contention. >> 2. I don't think Congress needs to approve anything not preempted by >> Federal law. > >Article I Section 10 Clause 3. "No State shall, without the Consent of >Congress ... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State." I believe that pertains to relationships between states, not states acting in their common interest. Otherwise all sorts of ongoing cooperation (e.g., law enforcement) would be unlawful. >> 3. As a practical matter California could simply announce its cap, and >> other states could match it. That would seem to be no more unlawful >> than airline ticket pricing. > >Such an arrangement would not be very effective cartel. ... That remains to be seen. >And it could also be subject to antitrust enforcement, just as some >airline pricing practices have been. Generally speaking, price leadership and price matching have been held to be lawful; likewise buyers cooperatives. In this general area only price fixing (by sellers) has been held to be unlawful. CAVEAT: I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. -- Best regards, John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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