🚀 go-pugleaf

Mike Vandeman wrote:

 > On Thu, 04 Dec 1997 19:58:06 -0800, "Joe St. Lucas"
 > <jstlucas@znet.com> wrote:
 
 > .> .> Critical Mass is a movement to promote bicycling
 > .> .> and other self-propelled transportation


Not true, in SF last summer cyclists made asses of themselves. Their
arrogance caused this movement a huge set back. So much so, even duh
Mayor who typically endorses eco- nazism did an about face on the
movement. 


 > .> .Have you ever considerd that biking to work may be 
 > .> IMPRACTICAL for some of us???

 > .> Why? Usually because you CHOOSE to live or work where 
 > .> biking is impractical. You can't expect to live in the 
 > .> suburbs and be well served by transit or biking.


Really... not for everyone. This statement makes a grand assumption, and
does not take under consideration most areas of California. Tis true for
for SF (the second logic free zone in the US) and now maybe in San
Diego.. we'll see though.


 > .Why not?

 > .What I would love to see is a news article about a married 
 > .couple, WITH KIDS,that has no car, and uses bicycles and 
 > .other wonderful forms of transportation. You know, father 
 > .biking off to sorrento valley to work, mom biking to somewhere
 > .else, kids riding the school bus, etc. All I ever see are 
 > .college students or older guys trying to stay in shape by
 > .biking to work (whose kids are off to college), etc.
 > .It's simply impractical for someone with kids to shop for 
 > .groceries on bikes with a duck trail of grade-schoolers tagging 
 > .behind.

 > .What are you going to do if a kid needs a trip to the hospital, 
 > .bike down?

 > Yes, and probably get there faster than today's car traffic.


Another grand assumption...
 
 
 > .Wait an hour for a cab?
 
 > Now you are lying. It doesn't take an hour to
 > get a cab, if you live in the city, and not on 
 > top of a mountain.


Probably not an hour, but you totally dismiss the impraticality of day
to day living in many locals without a vehicle. For this generation,
most were born into motorized transportion and into areas where it is
absolutely essential, and that's not going to cease easily (although
some ecos would like to dictate where people could live too). Enormous
transportation alternative projects need to be completed, for one, until
this problem can even begin to be reversed.


 >  Wait two hours for a bus?
 
 > It never takes 2 hours to get a bus, unless 
 > you live on top of a mountain. The point is 
 > that you can choose to live where transit is
 > convenient. If you choose otherwise, then it 
 > is your problem, not ours.

This is because Ecos have made it others' problems.

 
 > .To those who have a lifestyle that enables them to 
 > .use self-propelled modes of transport, good for you, 
 > .more power to you. Some day maybe I'll be in that 
 > .group, but not now, and I will feel absolutely
 > .NO guilt about driving my car.

 > You should. You have deliberately chosen a car-dependent lifestyle.


No one need feel guilty for being born into the world they now live, and
this contention is ludicrous. The reason Eco-nuts push this agenda, is
because they want to prescribe their wonderous idealism on everyone
else, whether feasible or not.

I'm happy to see, at least some honesty in this whole argument of--- To
have Cars or Not. Ecos want cars taken em away from everyone, justified
or not.

LN