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Started by Tapio Vihuri
Tue, 27 Oct 1992 08:05
Mites formatoidaan Macin kovalevy?
Author: Tapio Vihuri
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 08:05
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 08:05
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Niin kun Mac plussassa on kiinni Seagaten 64 Mbyte SCSI-levy ja se s|ssii.
Siis virheit{ rupes ilmaantuun ja tietoa hukkuun. Onkos Maceille mit{{n
ty|kaluohjelmia kovalevylle? Tai sitten kuinkas moinen formatoidaan.
Pelk{{n ett{ levyn alustaja ei suostu yhteisty|h|n kun levy{ ei ole
ostettu superkalliilla hinnalla Applelta.
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T.Tapio Vihuri vihuri@cc.tut.fi 931-186692, yksrivisen sigun kannattaja!
Re: Mites formatoidaan Macin kovalevy?
Author: Juri Munkki
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 21:54
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 21:54
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Alustusohjelmien haluajia saattaa kiinnostaa seuraava tieto:
In article <716500615.11352.0@unix4.andrew.cmu.edu> Christopher Bruce Kidwell <c
k31+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>Can someone send me the current version of APS Power Tools?
>I bought a drive from APS about 2 years ago and have version
>1.11, but I haven't heard a thing about updates since then.
No, Chris, we can't send it to you, because it's copyrighted. However,
APS distributes it for free through their own BBS. Give them a call
at 816-478-4541, log in as Guest, password Guest. They support everything
up to V.32 (9600 bps), and they may even go to V.32bis.
I called about two months ago, and downloaded version 2.6.
David Hayes merlin@lerami.lerctr.org
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ZModemilla tuon tiedoston imaisu V.32-modeemilla kesti muistaakseni 6
minuuttia. Puhelun hinta on kai halvimmillaan noin 4mk/minuutti.
Mielest{ni sain edullisesti erinomaisen formatointisoftan.
--
Juri Munkki Windsurf: fast sailing
jmunkki@hut.fi Macintosh: fast software
Re: Mites formatoidaan Macin kovalevy?
Author: Pekka M Salonen
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 23:14
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1992 23:14
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In article <1992Oct27.080528.29724@cc.tut.fi> vihuri@cc.tut.fi (Tapio Vihuri) writes:
> Niin kun Mac plussassa on kiinni Seagaten 64 Mbyte SCSI-levy ja se s|ssii.
> Siis virheit{ rupes ilmaantuun ja tietoa hukkuun. Onkos Maceille mit{{n
> ty|kaluohjelmia kovalevylle? Tai sitten kuinkas moinen formatoidaan.
> Pelk{{n ett{ levyn alustaja ei suostu yhteisty|h|n kun levy{ ei ole
> ostettu superkalliilla hinnalla Applelta.
Ohjelmia on kovasti. Yksi julkinen on SF&I, ikivanha ja hankalahko
ohjelma jota s{{det{{n ResEditill{, ei sit{ en{{ uskalla suositella.
L|ytyy ftp:ll{ jostain. Puree Siikkariin.
Kaupallisia on vino pino, kaikissa enemm{n ominaisuuksia kuin Applen
alustajassa, niill{ voi jakaa levyn partitioihin, suojata partitioita
salasanalla tai est{{ mounttaamasta etc. My|s ajurin parametrien kans-
sa voi pelata ihan toisella tavalla. Ohjelmia on mm:
Hammerin Hard Disk Toolkit, kovasti hiano, t{ll{ voi tviikata levy{
vaikka kuinka (ok, pikku-siikkarissa ei ole paljoa tviikattavaa). Ma-
nuaali kertoo SCSI:st{ enemm{n kuin haluat tiet{{. HDT:st{ on my|hem-
min tullut my|s joku kevytversio, jossa ei tartte itte mietti{ noita
s{{t|j{, eikun vaan jormatoi.
On-Track Disk Manager Mac, varsin jees ohjelma. T{lle l|ytyy maahan-
tuojakin.
LaCie SilverLining, kovasti kuuluisa jormatoija, jees t{m{kin, tied{
vaan mik{ on versionumero t{n{{n.
Drive-7, ei kokemuksia, pit{isi olla jees, suositellaan vanhoille Jas-
minen k{ytt{jille.
Noi on sellaisia levy-kun-levy -prokkiksia joita voi ostaa erikseen.
Kutakuinkin kaikkien kunnollisten ei-Applelta tulevien (nimenomaan
m{kki{ varten tarkoitettujen) levyjen kanssa tulee joku formaatteri,
joka k{yt{nn|ss{ toimii muidenkin pakkaamien levyjen kanssa ilman mi-
t{{n ilkeilyj{.
Applen alustajaa voi muokkailla, jolloin se yrit{{ formatoida levyn
kuin levyn. Apple suosittelee kovasti, ett{ n{in ei teht{isi, musta-
kaan ei ole vaivan arvoista, lopputulos ei v{ltt{m{tt{ ole kaksinen.
blah blah blah pekka
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ha!
Re: Mites formatoidaan Macin kovalevy?
Author: Matti Sihto
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 09:52
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 09:52
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Kuriositeettina mainittakoon FormatterFive (USD 150), jolla voi perustaa
levylle sek{ Mac ett{ DOS-partitioita - jos nyt jostain syyst{ haluaa
k{ytt{{ vuorotellen eri koneissa SCSI-levy{ (ulkoista tietenkin).
Kannettavan levyn osalta ja erityisesti kasettikovalevyjen (SyQuest, Bernoull)
osalta hommassa on ehk{ enemm{n j{rke{ kuin suht-koht kiinte{n boxin kohdalla.
Levyjen mukana tulevat formatterit saattavat olla ronkeleita levyn henkil|lli-
syydelle, itsell{ni on eri ajoilta Relax, CuttingEdge ja GCC levyj{, mukana
tulleista formattreista CuttingEdge tuntuu purevan estoitta kaikkiin muihinkin
(Seagatet kaikissa sis{ll{).
Matti Sihto
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Re: Mites formatoidaan Macin kovalevy?
Author: Juri Munkki
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 15:17
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 15:17
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T{ss{ ote APS:in Power Tools helpist{. L{hinn{ kommenttina siihen kuinka
kovalevyjen mukana tulleet formatterit eiv{t v{ltt{m{tt{ aina toimi...
Power Tools on saatavilla APS:n BBS:lt{.
INCOMPATIBLE PROGRAMS:
With well over 600,000 people using various versions of Alliance Power
Tools SCSI Driver, we are quite certain that it operates flawlessly on
nearly every computer, accelerated computer, and standard SCSI-1, and
SCSI-2 devices. Our programs, drivers, and utilities do not "patch" or
modify the Macintosh in ANY way! Therefore, problems do not usually
occur with our product because of this rigorous design goal.
When there are problems, we learn about them fast. There are two well
known, long-time, incompatible products. Both are disk manipulation
programs that modify the Macintosh ("patch") in order to function. They
might, or might not, be at fault for the incompatibilities. The programs
are "Sentient Software/ Fifth Generation's Disk Lock", and "Kent Marsh
Ltd.'s NightWatch II (version 2.01 or earlier), that is similar to Disk
Lock, and is incompatible with many versions of our software including
the one you are using now. Do not use our SCSI driver with these two
products unless their publishers indicate that they were fixed and can
be used. We know that Disk Lock is incompatible with other famous SCSI
drivers, so you are on your own if you want to use it. Get an update to
NightWatch II. The nature of the imcompatibilities may have to do with
the fact that the SCSI driver is compressed on the disk. It has to be
compressed in order to boot on a MacPlus. The compression of the SCSI
driver can be turned off using the "Driver Options" command in the
"Special" menu.
COMPATIBLE DEVICES:
All SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 compliant devices. Here's the condensed list of
compatible devices...
The complete current product lines of fixed storage devices from : CDC
(Wrens), Conner, Fujitsu, Hewlett Packard, Hitachi, Maxtor, Micropolis
(1580 series), Miniscribe, Rodime (Cobra series), Seagate 1, Sony
(SRD2040A), Toshiba. As well as all modern Quantum products such as
Quantum Q250, Q280 Quantum ProDrive 40, 80, 105, Quantum Pro120, 170,
210, 425, and Quantum LP 40, 52, 80, 105. Any other modern (post-1988)
devices not listed should probably still work fine, since the program
does indeed work with nearly everything.
Most versions of SCSI Director also support all removable media
devices, as well, including : Maxtor Tahiti 1 & 2 MO, IBM 3.5" MO,
TEAC OD-3000-20, Insite Peripherals I325VM Floptical, IOMEGA
(Bernoulli) Beta 90, MOST Tech. RMD 5100S 3.5" MO, Syquest SQ555 and
SQ5110, Ricoh RO 503x MO and RH 5500, Panasonic's MATSHITA LF-3000 &
LF-7000 MO, and all Sony MOs including 5.25" and 3.5" (such as SMO-C301
and SMO-C501).
INCOMPATIBLE DEVICES:
It has been discovered that our driver, and every other popular SCSI
driver is incapable of properly supporting a Maxtor LXT 213S on a Mac
Plus, though Mac SE's and above function. This is true for LXT 213S
firmware, and EEPROM download versions previous to 1991.09, for
certain.
Macintosh Quadra computers have a bug in the SCSI Manager that causes
it to fail on certain devices including the NCR-ADP-92 series of RAID
controllers as well a some Optical disks and a few hard disks. Also,
Fujitsu has reported that the M2651/52SA (1.6 GB formatted) device
fails on the Quadra's and IIx computers. They claim that their device
does not work with "Blind" data transfers and that diabling them will
correct the problem. You can disable "Blind" transfers using the
"Driver Options" command in the "Special" menu. For some reason
however, the "Blind" transfers work on all other Macs with their drive.
This is probably also related to the Quadra SCSI problems.
Also note, very new SCSI devices are sometimes not supported by our
product until a couple of months after they are mass-shipped and
discovered incompatible, therefore if you have a problem with a device,
see your distributer for a newer version of Alliance Power Tools that
will support it.
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Juri Munkki Windsurf: fast sailing
jmunkki@hut.fi Macintosh: fast software
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