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On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:20:37 +0800, CompSci <sgcompsci@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Hi ALL,
>i need to buy a new hdd and i have done some research and getting some
>opinion from many people
>here's what i come up with, pls advice according to experience and
>knowlegde.thanks!!!
>
>1-how well is Quantum Fireball CR, what is the difference betw Quantum
>Fireball CR and EX?. From what i check out, it's only the storage
>capacity. CR had larger ones and EX has smaller ones. Both are meant for
>Desktop PC. A lot of ppl have told me that Quantum cannot be compatiable
>to certain HDD, and i will crash after about 3 mths time.
>2-how well is IBM DeskStar.. i have many ppl telling me that Quantum is
>better.(maybe cos of the shockproof)i only need about 3-4G, that's why i
>picked the DeskStar 16GP.
>3-How good is Seagate then? I heard that it always crash too.And i
>cannot find anything on the website.... what a lousy one too.... Sigh.
>
>ok.. everyone, below are the specs and they are found through long
>tiring research. i take this very seriously and pls do take me very
>seriously too when u reply
>These are the points which i must consider when i buy a new hdd,
>1) How compatable are they with my current hdd, which is 1.6G by the
>brand Gerneric(i think)
>2)How realiable are they in the sense that ~do they crash,~does the
>read/write head go crazy within mths ~will they shake a lot when
>reading/writing~and stuff like that.
>the rest are secondary. pls advice and help.thanks
>
>
>                           ~Specifications ~Specifications ~Specifications
>                           for CR          for EX          for Deskstar
>                                                           16GP
>
> Capacity (GB)              4.3, etc        3.2,5.1 etc     4.3/ 3.2 GB
>                                                           etc
> Interface                 Ultra ATA/66    Ultra ATA/512   ATA-4
> Seek Time
> (ms)Average/Track-to-Track                9.5/ 2 / 18 /   9.5 / 2.2 /
> /Full Stroke/ Average      9.5 /? /? /?   5.56            15.5 / 5.56
> Rotational Latency (ms)
> RPM                        5,400          5.400           5400
> Internal Data Rate
> (Mb/sec)                  Up to 190       Up to 187       161.9 Mbits/sec
> Buffer Size (KB)          512             ?                       512
> WinBench Score*           1686            ?               ?
> Idle Sound (typ) Power
> (bels)                     3.4            3.6             ?
> Shock Operating /         11 ms 20 G / 2                  don't know have
> Non-operating             ms 200 G        ?               or not
> Typical Power Draw (W)
> Idle / Operating          6.2 / 8.8       6.0 / 11.0      3.4/ 3.4 W
> Peak Current (mA on
> +5V/+12V)                 700/1,830       700/1,700       ?
> Shock Protection System                   ? But 3 yrs
> (SPS)                     Yes             warranty        ?
> Reliability- Error Rate
> (non-recoverable                                          1 in 10E13
>
>
>
>
You must have a lot of time on your hands to gather these statistics,
do your interviews, then cross-post to three newsgroups for people to
help you make this decision ;(

Geez, just buy the cheapest one, and get on with your life.

CompSci <sgcompsci@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:367BEE72.3BFB015F@yahoo.com...

> i need to buy a new hdd and i have done some research and
> getting some opinion from many people here's what i come up
> with, pls advice according to experience and knowlegde.thanks!!!

> 1-how well is Quantum Fireball CR, what is the difference betw Quantum Fireball CR and
EX?.

The CR is basically just their latest version of that type of drive.

> From what i check out, it's only the storage capacity. CR had larger ones and EX has
smaller ones.

The CR also has the Ultra ATA/66. No big deal tho.

> Both are meant for Desktop PC.

Yep.

> A lot of ppl have told me that Quantum cannot be compatiable to certain HDD,

Yep, some of the quantum drives have a problem there.

> and i will crash after about 3 mths time.

Thats going too far. Some people have had drives die. Some have not. No manufacture would
stay in business for long if all the drives died after 3 months.

One thing to watch tho is that particularly with the better priced
drives sold here, you wont necessarily get the full 3 year warranty
that Quantum offers. Or more strictly if it fails after 1 year it has
to be returned to the country where it was bought from Quantum
to claim on the warranty. That may not be practical cost wise.

> 2-how well is IBM DeskStar..

Pretty good. I have had one fail due to bearing failure but that doesnt prove much.

> i have many ppl telling me that Quantum is better.(maybe cos of the shockproof)

That isnt really that relevant except if you plan
to have the drive in a removable situation.

> i only need about 3-4G, that's why i picked the DeskStar 16GP.

Perfectly adequate in that regard.

> 3-How good is Seagate then?

One thing to watch with Seagate is that they have some
pretty pedestrian drives as well as the good performers.

> I heard that it always crash too.

Thats going too far.

> And i cannot find anything on the website.... what a lousy one too.... Sigh.

What's wrong with http://www.seagate.com/ddb/prodgud.shtml

> ok.. everyone, below are the specs and they are found through long tiring research.

Have you had a look at http://www.storagereview.com/
Its got some good comparison information.

> i take this very seriously and pls do take me very seriously too when u reply
> These are the points which i must consider when i buy a new hdd,
> 1) How compatable are they with my current hdd, which is 1.6G by the brand Gerneric(i
think)

I doubt that is its brand. What shows up on the black bios boot screen
at boot time, where it lists the drives found each on a line by itself ?

Unfortunately there is no easy way to see how compatible the drives you list
are with your current drive unless someone has happened to try the combination.
And with the quantums the problem is more likely to be later down the track
with the next drive you buy after this one you are considering now. The quantums
can be a problem slaving to other drives, you'd normally set it to master now
if you've just bought one and only want to slave it next time.

> 2)How realiable are they in the sense that ~do they crash,

This is something that there is very little hard information on. All
manufacturers have gone thru periods where they have had a bad run
of failures and they certainly dont make public failure rate information.

Even the record that an operation flogging lots of drives has doesnt prove
much because they can only report how the ones they sold in say the last
5 years have gone, and you wont be buying those older drives now anyway.

You can sometimes see lots of people doing a dummy spit about a high
failure rate with a particular drive in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage like was seen
with
the western digitals at one time but things have got to get pretty bad before you see that
sort of thing.

> ~does the read/write head go crazy within mths

That isnt going to happen with any drive at a high rate or the company will go broke.

> ~will they shake a lot when reading/writing

You dont see that anymore with the drives you are talking about.

> ~and stuff like that.

The other thing some people care about is how noisy the drive is. Very hard to be
very specific tho, some people find some noises a lot more irritating than others. Some
drives are now so quiet that you have to listen carefully to even notice disk activity.

> the rest are secondary. pls advice and help.thanks

There is nothing in it with the drives you listed the specs for.

>i need to buy a new hdd and i have done some research and getting some
>opinion from many people
>                           ~Specifications ~Specifications ~Specifications
>                           for CR          for EX          for Deskstar
>                                                           16GP
> Capacity (GB)              4.3, etc        3.2,5.1 etc     4.3/ 3.2 GB
> RPM                        5,400          5.400           5400

That's kinda slow now-a-days,
7200 RPM is common,
10,000 and 12,000 RPM for high end SCSI.

I didn't notice a bit density listed:
the more bits per inch recorded on the surface,
the more data fits on a track, so less need to move the heads.
-- 
Jeffrey Jonas
jeffj@panix(dot)com
The original Dr. JCL and Mr .hide

This is a little off topic but in Canada. Future Shop is running sales all
the time on WD hard drives.. The only catch is to get the rebate you must
send in your old drive!!!!! Where are those drives ending up????????
Alan....

Jeff Jonas wrote in message <75m1bi$keq@panix.com>...

Alan <burhead3365@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
news:VI_f2.2170$7l6.41496@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...

> Future Shop is running sales all the time on WD hard drives..
> The only catch is to get the rebate you must send in your
> old drive!!!!!  Where are those drives ending up????????

The great hard drive warehouse in the sky ?

About the interface:
At the moment ATA/66 and even ATA/33 are a load of hipe.  Todays Fireballs
do about 5-7Mb/s each, and since IDE can have 2 drives per channel,
10-14Mb/s means even the PIO mode 4 is good enough.  So ignore all this
interface crap and just look at the access times and benchmarks.
As Rod said, look at www.storagereview.com .

>> 3-How good is Seagate then?
Great, I've got a Fireball TM in my dad's computer, and that compared
fairly ordinary to my Seagate Medallist Pros.  I've gone to Seagate
Barracudas (SCSI) and have to say boy they are fast!  (Pricey though).  I
also returned a drive to Seagate a few months ago as it made funny noises
(nothing else), and the replacement arrived at my door in less than two
weeks.  So their warranty stuff is pretty good.

I personally recommend a fireball EX or Seagate Medallist Pro for fast
cheapos, or a Seagate Barracuda if you want something a bit more pricey.
This is probably biased as I haven't had any experience with Maxtor, their
7200rpm drives look pretty quick. I've heard rumours that IBM drives fail
a lot in high end systems, don't know if its true or not...

Hope this helps.

i'm using a IBM deskstar 8 6.4gb and well..i must say..it's nevered failed
me till this day..after countless formats and fdisks...it's like brand
new...i mean..it works okie but i guess when in high end systems...i donch
know...never tried but in my system.,..p200mmx and 32mb...it's smooth..
krash
Daniel Grimwood wrote in message <762lnk$mjn$1@enyo.uwa.edu.au>...
>About the interface:
>At the moment ATA/66 and even ATA/33 are a load of hipe.  Todays Fireballs
>do about 5-7Mb/s each, and since IDE can have 2 drives per channel,
>10-14Mb/s means even the PIO mode 4 is good enough.  So ignore all this
>interface crap and just look at the access times and benchmarks.
>As Rod said, look at www.storagereview.com .
>
>>> 3-How good is Seagate then?
>Great, I've got a Fireball TM in my dad's computer, and that compared
>fairly ordinary to my Seagate Medallist Pros.  I've gone to Seagate
>Barracudas (SCSI) and have to say boy they are fast!  (Pricey though).  I
>also returned a drive to Seagate a few months ago as it made funny noises
>(nothing else), and the replacement arrived at my door in less than two
>weeks.  So their warranty stuff is pretty good.
>
>I personally recommend a fireball EX or Seagate Medallist Pro for fast
>cheapos, or a Seagate Barracuda if you want something a bit more pricey.
>This is probably biased as I haven't had any experience with Maxtor, their
>7200rpm drives look pretty quick. I've heard rumours that IBM drives fail
>a lot in high end systems, don't know if its true or not...
>
>Hope this helps.