Re: Inter-Asian Relationships

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2 total messages Started by robohen Mon, 01 Sep 1997 00:00

Author: robohen
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 00:00

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Gopalaswamy Srini wrote:

>:robohen@concentric.net wrote:
>: Agreed.  Unlike African-Americans, Asians have retained strong ethnic
>: identities, so this has made it difficult to develop a generic
>: Asian-American identity.  The demography of Asians in America is also
>: changing, where the more successful Asians are moving back to Asia
>: (Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Vietnamese, light-skinned upper-caste
>: Indians).  In their place are new immigrants from Southeast Asia and
>South Asia, who happen to have darker skin, come from non-Confucian
societies,
>: and have more fragmented families.  Perhaps they will have more in
common
>: with African-Americans and form a stronger "Asian" identity on that
basis.
>: The future stereotype of Asians might be as thugs and welfare cases.
>
>Moron, you seem to think darker skin is associated with fragmented 
>families, thuggery and failiure. You must know that most of the indians 
>supporting the silicon valley are from south india, and in general of 
>darker complexion. If you had any decency you would apologize with a 
>follow up!

I didn't say that darker skin equates with such traits.  Of course there
are plenty of upper-caste Dravidians who make fine computer programmers in
Silicon Valley.  At the moment, most Indians in the US are well-educated,
ambitious, and come from wealthy families.  As economic opportunities for
yuppies increase in India, Indian-Americans are bound to complain that the
food here is no good, that their children are forgetting Hindu/Muslim/Sikh
ways, that there is too much persecution, that the American lifestyle is
too slow and dull, etc.  Already, the Indian community has a high return
rate.  In place of today's genius computer professionals and shrewd
accountants will come varna, shit handlers, aboriginals, and tugi, as it
happened to the Vietnamese community.  In some South American countries
today, Indians are mostly uneducated banana-hackers.  As India's economy
improves, lower-caste Indians will be able to take out loans for air fare
and legal fees, and only lower-caste Indians will find America attractive.

Re: Inter-Asian Relationships

Author: robohen
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 00:00

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On 3 Sep 1997, Gopalaswamy Srini. wrote:

> First of all, you must stop using 'aryan' and 'dravidian' when refering 
> to indians, as a lot of indians now dont accept this aryan invasion 
> theory and view it as an imposition by the british to help their 
> divide-and-rule policy. 

According to the Indian PC establishment, yes.  Sri Lankan scholars have
similarly asserted Sri Lanko-centric history, whereby Sri Lankans
discovered the New World before Columbus did, that the three wise men who
visited Jesus in his stable were Sri Lankans, that Damascus Steel came
from Sri Lanka, that Sri Lankans are the original Aryans (hence, fascism
was in vogue in the 1940s there).

But as far as linguistic and cultural evidence indicates, ferocious
Iranian-Aryan tribes did storm North India and displace the plump,
good-natured Dravidians.  On soc.history.what-if, we have had discussions
about what would have happened to India without an Aryan invasion.  No
caste system, therefore no Hinduism, therefore no Buddhism, therefore no
pacifying influence on Central and Southeast Asian cannibals.  Therefore
Southeast Asian and Tibetan warlords storm North India, and India today
would be split up between Tibet, Burma, and Dravidia.

> The reason for the high level education and/or skills (programmers dont 
> require much of an education really ;)) of Indian immigrants is simply that 
> the US immigration policy allows only such people from India to come in. Its as 
> simple as that. You should have absolutely no worry about uneducated 
> banana-hackers immigrating from India, except possibly as refugees or 
> in investment category (they will be wealthy though) or from other countries 
> (like in S America) where persons of indian 
> ethnicity have migrated long back. Family immigration is limited to close 
> relatives likes parents and spouses and siblings.

As India gets wealthier and their lower castes continue to breed out of
control, there are bound to be political deals whereby India opens up to
American trade in exchange for America accepting India's surplus
population.  The 1990s backlash against immigration is already starting to
swing the other way, where PC ideologues, global-economy ideologues, and
employers facing worker shortages are arguing for more immigration.

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