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humbubba@smart.net
>We all know that George Bush gave the outgoing CIA Director the 
>Congressional Medal of Freedom because he took the fall for the 16 word 
>Niger uranium reference in the State of the Union speech Bush gave. What act 
>of loyalty to Bush did General Tommy Franks perform to get his?
>
>What about knowingly letting Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora and then 
>covering it up?
>

He jutht gave it to him becauth of hith thpeech impediment.


>Newsweek has the story that the CIA and American high command knew bin Laden 
>was at Tora Bora. This contradicts what Bush and Franks have both told the 
>American public.
>
>
>
>  the CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora Bora, 
>Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin Laden was 
>among the hundreds of fleeing Qaeda and Taliban members. Berntsen says he 
>had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora - 
>intelligence operatives had tracked him - and could have been caught. "He 
>was there," Berntsen tells NEWSWEEK.
>
>  ...the decorated career CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's Defense 
>Department for not providing enough support to the CIA and the Pentagon's 
>own Special Forces teams in the final hours of Tora Bora, says Berntsen's 
>lawyer, Roy Krieger. (Berntsen would not divulge the book's specifics, 
>saying he's awaiting CIA clearance.) That backs up other recent accounts, 
>including that of military author Sean Naylor, who calls Tora Bora a 
>"strategic disaster" because the Pentagon refused to deploy a cordon of 
>conventional forces to cut off escaping Qaeda and Taliban members. Maj. Todd 
>Vician, a Defense Department spokesman, says the problem at Tora Bora "was 
>not necessarily just the number of troops."
>Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command and 
>allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of 
>Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty to 
>Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.
>
>Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My 
>speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of the 
>steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.
>
>Let me make it more clear. Bin Laden captured would have eliminated the 
>opportunity to stampede the American people into the war in Iraq. So Tommy 
>Franks, at Rumsfeld's direction, sat on his hands and let bin Laden escape 
>Tora Bora. His reward for this act of loyalty to George Bush was the Medal 
>of Freedom.
>
>There could have been a deal with bin Laden that in exchange for 
>facilitating his escape, bin Laden would not again directly attack the 
>United States. This would explain both the lack of urgency the Bush 
>administration has demonstrated in protecting the homeland (lack of funding 
>for port security and first responders, for example) and the apparent 
>absence of terrorist activity here. [I offer this as a speculation that fits 
>the publicly known facts and the machiavellian nature of the current 
>administration. Is there any counter-evidence to refute this speculation? 
>Nothing this administration has done suggests they should be trusted, and it 
>fits their propaganda effort to invade Iraq perfectly.]
>
>Whatever the reasons, letting bin Laden escape at Tora Bora makes Donald 
>Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks and George Bush all complicit in Osama bin Laden's 
>terrorist attacks since then. Those attacks include the ones in Madrid and 
>London. Had the American high command supported the CIA at Tora Bora, those 
>terrorist victims probably would not have died or been injured.
>
>

"Rick B" <jjayray21@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:W2CJe.342$Ub1.84@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> We all know that George Bush gave the outgoing CIA Director the
> Congressional Medal of Freedom because he took the fall for the 16 word
> Niger uranium reference in the State of the Union speech Bush gave. What
act
> of loyalty to Bush did General Tommy Franks perform to get his?
>
> What about knowingly letting Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora and
then
> covering it up?
>
> Newsweek has the story that the CIA and American high command knew bin
Laden
> was at Tora Bora. This contradicts what Bush and Franks have both told the
> American public.
>
>
>
>   the CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora Bora,
> Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin Laden
was
> among the hundreds of fleeing Qaeda and Taliban members. Berntsen says he
> had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora -
> intelligence operatives had tracked him - and could have been caught. "He
> was there," Berntsen tells NEWSWEEK.
>
>   ...the decorated career CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's Defense
> Department for not providing enough support to the CIA and the Pentagon's
> own Special Forces teams in the final hours of Tora Bora, says Berntsen's
> lawyer, Roy Krieger. (Berntsen would not divulge the book's specifics,
> saying he's awaiting CIA clearance.) That backs up other recent accounts,
> including that of military author Sean Naylor, who calls Tora Bora a
> "strategic disaster" because the Pentagon refused to deploy a cordon of
> conventional forces to cut off escaping Qaeda and Taliban members. Maj.
Todd
> Vician, a Defense Department spokesman, says the problem at Tora Bora "was
> not necessarily just the number of troops."
> Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command and
> allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of
> Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty to
> Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.
>
> Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My
> speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of the
> steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.
>
> Let me make it more clear. Bin Laden captured would have eliminated the
> opportunity to stampede the American people into the war in Iraq. So Tommy
> Franks, at Rumsfeld's direction, sat on his hands and let bin Laden escape
> Tora Bora. His reward for this act of loyalty to George Bush was the Medal
> of Freedom.
>
> There could have been a deal with bin Laden that in exchange for
> facilitating his escape, bin Laden would not again directly attack the
> United States. This would explain both the lack of urgency the Bush
> administration has demonstrated in protecting the homeland (lack of
funding
> for port security and first responders, for example) and the apparent
> absence of terrorist activity here. [I offer this as a speculation that
fits
> the publicly known facts and the machiavellian nature of the current
> administration. Is there any counter-evidence to refute this speculation?
> Nothing this administration has done suggests they should be trusted, and
it
> fits their propaganda effort to invade Iraq perfectly.]
>
> Whatever the reasons, letting bin Laden escape at Tora Bora makes Donald
> Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks and George Bush all complicit in Osama bin Laden's
> terrorist attacks since then. Those attacks include the ones in Madrid and
> London. Had the American high command supported the CIA at Tora Bora,
those
> terrorist victims probably would not have died or been injured.
>
>
Bin Laden could not have made the GW Bush Friday before the election
campaign speech if he had been killed or captured at Tora Bora.  Bin Laden
has been a Bush family asset for many years, Tora Bora would have ruined
many things for the whole family and the Carlyle group.  John Keery did the
USA  a great favor by telling us about the incident at Tora Bora didn't he?

He knew they would call him every shade of liar, but he did it any way, and
while doing so, pointed his finger right at the Bush Saudi allianace, and
now we see Bush actually kissing the Saudi's on the lips, and holding their
hands while they rape our land and our kids die for them,  Thank you John
Kerry, you gave America the truth about the Bush, Bin Laden, Saudi whole
sordid, ugly truth.

"cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
news:11fdrp671cncmff@corp.supernews.com...
> humbubba@smart.net
> >We all know that George Bush gave the outgoing CIA Director the
> >Congressional Medal of Freedom because he took the fall for the 16 word
> >Niger uranium reference in the State of the Union speech Bush gave. What
act
> >of loyalty to Bush did General Tommy Franks perform to get his?
> >
> >What about knowingly letting Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora and
then
> >covering it up?
> >
>
> He jutht gave it to him becauth of hith thpeech impediment.

Rick, how can you say you want to be president when you do not take anything
seriously. You are a weird pup.


>
>
> >Newsweek has the story that the CIA and American high command knew bin
Laden
> >was at Tora Bora. This contradicts what Bush and Franks have both told
the
> >American public.
> >
> >
> >
> >  the CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora Bora,
> >Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin Laden
was
> >among the hundreds of fleeing Qaeda and Taliban members. Berntsen says he
> >had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora -
> >intelligence operatives had tracked him - and could have been caught. "He
> >was there," Berntsen tells NEWSWEEK.
> >
> >  ...the decorated career CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's
Defense
> >Department for not providing enough support to the CIA and the Pentagon's
> >own Special Forces teams in the final hours of Tora Bora, says Berntsen's
> >lawyer, Roy Krieger. (Berntsen would not divulge the book's specifics,
> >saying he's awaiting CIA clearance.) That backs up other recent accounts,
> >including that of military author Sean Naylor, who calls Tora Bora a
> >"strategic disaster" because the Pentagon refused to deploy a cordon of
> >conventional forces to cut off escaping Qaeda and Taliban members. Maj.
Todd
> >Vician, a Defense Department spokesman, says the problem at Tora Bora
"was
> >not necessarily just the number of troops."
> >Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command and
> >allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of
> >Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty to
> >Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.
> >
> >Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My
> >speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of
the
> >steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.
> >
> >Let me make it more clear. Bin Laden captured would have eliminated the
> >opportunity to stampede the American people into the war in Iraq. So
Tommy
> >Franks, at Rumsfeld's direction, sat on his hands and let bin Laden
escape
> >Tora Bora. His reward for this act of loyalty to George Bush was the
Medal
> >of Freedom.
> >
> >There could have been a deal with bin Laden that in exchange for
> >facilitating his escape, bin Laden would not again directly attack the
> >United States. This would explain both the lack of urgency the Bush
> >administration has demonstrated in protecting the homeland (lack of
funding
> >for port security and first responders, for example) and the apparent
> >absence of terrorist activity here. [I offer this as a speculation that
fits
> >the publicly known facts and the machiavellian nature of the current
> >administration. Is there any counter-evidence to refute this speculation?
> >Nothing this administration has done suggests they should be trusted, and
it
> >fits their propaganda effort to invade Iraq perfectly.]
> >
> >Whatever the reasons, letting bin Laden escape at Tora Bora makes Donald
> >Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks and George Bush all complicit in Osama bin Laden's
> >terrorist attacks since then. Those attacks include the ones in Madrid
and
> >London. Had the American high command supported the CIA at Tora Bora,
those
> >terrorist victims probably would not have died or been injured.
> >
> >
>

Saddly there seems to be little motivation for Bush to get Bin Laden.
Everything in his Presidency has gone badly wrong and it is the fear
that terrorist will attack America and Bush ability to hold on to a
slight majority in favour of his homeland security which prevent his
approval ratings from utterly tanking.

Bin Laden has kept Bush safe from the results of his diasters, even
today it is probably only the continued existence of Bin Laden and Al
Qaeda, against which the US is doing less than nothing, which protects
Bush from the serious consequences of possible impeachment coming out
of CIA links and forged intelligence given to Congress.

Bush badly needs Bin Laden alive.  As long as Bin Laden lives Bush has
cover from his other mistakes.

I suppose "approval ratings" need to get into the single digits before
you'd say "utterly tanking?"

What are these ratings, anyway?  For how many years have these ratings
been established, and has the methodology changed?

humbubba@smart.net
>
>"cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
>news:11fdrp671cncmff@corp.supernews.com...
>> humbubba@smart.net
>> >We all know that George Bush gave the outgoing CIA Director the
>> >Congressional Medal of Freedom because he took the fall for the 16 word
>> >Niger uranium reference in the State of the Union speech Bush gave. What
>act
>> >of loyalty to Bush did General Tommy Franks perform to get his?
>> >
>> >What about knowingly letting Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora and
>then
>> >covering it up?
>> >
>>
>> He jutht gave it to him becauth of hith thpeech impediment.
>
>Rick, how can you say you want to be president when you do not take anything
>seriously. You are a weird pup.

Let'th thee YOU talk to Tommy Frankth like that.

>
>
>>
>>
>> >Newsweek has the story that the CIA and American high command knew bin
>Laden
>> >was at Tora Bora. This contradicts what Bush and Franks have both told
>the
>> >American public.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  the CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora Bora,
>> >Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin Laden
>was
>> >among the hundreds of fleeing Qaeda and Taliban members. Berntsen says he
>> >had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora -
>> >intelligence operatives had tracked him - and could have been caught. "He
>> >was there," Berntsen tells NEWSWEEK.
>> >
>> >  ...the decorated career CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's
>Defense
>> >Department for not providing enough support to the CIA and the Pentagon's
>> >own Special Forces teams in the final hours of Tora Bora, says Berntsen's
>> >lawyer, Roy Krieger. (Berntsen would not divulge the book's specifics,
>> >saying he's awaiting CIA clearance.) That backs up other recent accounts,
>> >including that of military author Sean Naylor, who calls Tora Bora a
>> >"strategic disaster" because the Pentagon refused to deploy a cordon of
>> >conventional forces to cut off escaping Qaeda and Taliban members. Maj.
>Todd
>> >Vician, a Defense Department spokesman, says the problem at Tora Bora
>"was
>> >not necessarily just the number of troops."
>> >Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command and
>> >allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of
>> >Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty to
>> >Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.
>> >
>> >Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My
>> >speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of
>the
>> >steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.
>> >
>> >Let me make it more clear. Bin Laden captured would have eliminated the
>> >opportunity to stampede the American people into the war in Iraq. So
>Tommy
>> >Franks, at Rumsfeld's direction, sat on his hands and let bin Laden
>escape
>> >Tora Bora. His reward for this act of loyalty to George Bush was the
>Medal
>> >of Freedom.
>> >
>> >There could have been a deal with bin Laden that in exchange for
>> >facilitating his escape, bin Laden would not again directly attack the
>> >United States. This would explain both the lack of urgency the Bush
>> >administration has demonstrated in protecting the homeland (lack of
>funding
>> >for port security and first responders, for example) and the apparent
>> >absence of terrorist activity here. [I offer this as a speculation that
>fits
>> >the publicly known facts and the machiavellian nature of the current
>> >administration. Is there any counter-evidence to refute this speculation?
>> >Nothing this administration has done suggests they should be trusted, and
>it
>> >fits their propaganda effort to invade Iraq perfectly.]
>> >
>> >Whatever the reasons, letting bin Laden escape at Tora Bora makes Donald
>> >Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks and George Bush all complicit in Osama bin Laden's
>> >terrorist attacks since then. Those attacks include the ones in Madrid
>and
>> >London. Had the American high command supported the CIA at Tora Bora,
>those
>> >terrorist victims probably would not have died or been injured.

humbubba@smart.net
>
>"Rick B" <jjayray21@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:W2CJe.342$Ub1.84@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> We all know that George Bush gave the outgoing CIA Director the
>> Congressional Medal of Freedom because he took the fall for the 16 word
>> Niger uranium reference in the State of the Union speech Bush gave. What
>act
>> of loyalty to Bush did General Tommy Franks perform to get his?
>>
>> What about knowingly letting Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora and
>then
>> covering it up?
>>
>> Newsweek has the story that the CIA and American high command knew bin
>Laden
>> was at Tora Bora. This contradicts what Bush and Franks have both told the
>> American public.
>>
>>
>>
>>   the CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora Bora,
>> Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin Laden
>was
>> among the hundreds of fleeing Qaeda and Taliban members. Berntsen says he
>> had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora -
>> intelligence operatives had tracked him - and could have been caught. "He
>> was there," Berntsen tells NEWSWEEK.
>>
>>   ...the decorated career CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's Defense
>> Department for not providing enough support to the CIA and the Pentagon's
>> own Special Forces teams in the final hours of Tora Bora, says Berntsen's
>> lawyer, Roy Krieger. (Berntsen would not divulge the book's specifics,
>> saying he's awaiting CIA clearance.) That backs up other recent accounts,
>> including that of military author Sean Naylor, who calls Tora Bora a
>> "strategic disaster" because the Pentagon refused to deploy a cordon of
>> conventional forces to cut off escaping Qaeda and Taliban members. Maj.
>Todd
>> Vician, a Defense Department spokesman, says the problem at Tora Bora "was
>> not necessarily just the number of troops."
>> Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command and
>> allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of
>> Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty to
>> Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.
>>
>> Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My
>> speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of the
>> steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.
>>
>> Let me make it more clear. Bin Laden captured would have eliminated the
>> opportunity to stampede the American people into the war in Iraq. So Tommy
>> Franks, at Rumsfeld's direction, sat on his hands and let bin Laden escape
>> Tora Bora. His reward for this act of loyalty to George Bush was the Medal
>> of Freedom.
>>
>> There could have been a deal with bin Laden that in exchange for
>> facilitating his escape, bin Laden would not again directly attack the
>> United States. This would explain both the lack of urgency the Bush
>> administration has demonstrated in protecting the homeland (lack of
>funding
>> for port security and first responders, for example) and the apparent
>> absence of terrorist activity here. [I offer this as a speculation that
>fits
>> the publicly known facts and the machiavellian nature of the current
>> administration. Is there any counter-evidence to refute this speculation?
>> Nothing this administration has done suggests they should be trusted, and
>it
>> fits their propaganda effort to invade Iraq perfectly.]
>>
>> Whatever the reasons, letting bin Laden escape at Tora Bora makes Donald
>> Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks and George Bush all complicit in Osama bin Laden's
>> terrorist attacks since then. Those attacks include the ones in Madrid and
>> London. Had the American high command supported the CIA at Tora Bora,
>those
>> terrorist victims probably would not have died or been injured.
>>
>>
>Bin Laden could not have made the GW Bush Friday before the election
>campaign speech if he had been killed or captured at Tora Bora.  Bin Laden
>has been a Bush family asset for many years, Tora Bora would have ruined
>many things for the whole family and the Carlyle group.  John Keery did the
>USA  a great favor by telling us about the incident at Tora Bora didn't he?
>
>He knew they would call him every shade of liar, but he did it any way, and
>while doing so, pointed his finger right at the Bush Saudi allianace, and
>now we see Bush actually kissing the Saudi's on the lips, and holding their
>hands while they rape our land and our kids die for them,  Thank you John
>Kerry, you gave America the truth about the Bush, Bin Laden, Saudi whole
>sordid, ugly truth.
>
>

Did he say "They deliberately let him go." ?

Not that I recall. And he probably knew they did. 

I'd like to know everything Kerry knows about BCCI.


-- 

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"cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
news:11fdtf4635gudfc@corp.supernews.com...
> humbubba@smart.net
> >
> >"cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
> >news:11fdrp671cncmff@corp.supernews.com...
> >> humbubba@smart.net
> >> >We all know that George Bush gave the outgoing CIA Director the
> >> >Congressional Medal of Freedom because he took the fall for the 16
word
> >> >Niger uranium reference in the State of the Union speech Bush gave.
What
> >act
> >> >of loyalty to Bush did General Tommy Franks perform to get his?
> >> >
> >> >What about knowingly letting Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora and
> >then
> >> >covering it up?
> >> >
> >>
> >> He jutht gave it to him becauth of hith thpeech impediment.
> >
> >Rick, how can you say you want to be president when you do not take
anything
> >seriously. You are a weird pup.
>
> Let'th thee YOU talk to Tommy Frankth like that.
>

LOL Rick, you're a head case, but I guess I'd vote for you if I could stay
in the Lincoln bedroom have a job on the party commitee.  I'd like just a
small jet.

> >
> >>
> >>
> >> >Newsweek has the story that the CIA and American high command knew bin
> >Laden
> >> >was at Tora Bora. This contradicts what Bush and Franks have both told
> >the
> >> >American public.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  the CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora
Bora,
> >> >Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin
Laden
> >was
> >> >among the hundreds of fleeing Qaeda and Taliban members. Berntsen says
he
> >> >had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora -
> >> >intelligence operatives had tracked him - and could have been caught.
"He
> >> >was there," Berntsen tells NEWSWEEK.
> >> >
> >> >  ...the decorated career CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's
> >Defense
> >> >Department for not providing enough support to the CIA and the
Pentagon's
> >> >own Special Forces teams in the final hours of Tora Bora, says
Berntsen's
> >> >lawyer, Roy Krieger. (Berntsen would not divulge the book's specifics,
> >> >saying he's awaiting CIA clearance.) That backs up other recent
accounts,
> >> >including that of military author Sean Naylor, who calls Tora Bora a
> >> >"strategic disaster" because the Pentagon refused to deploy a cordon
of
> >> >conventional forces to cut off escaping Qaeda and Taliban members.
Maj.
> >Todd
> >> >Vician, a Defense Department spokesman, says the problem at Tora Bora
> >"was
> >> >not necessarily just the number of troops."
> >> >Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command
and
> >> >allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of
> >> >Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty
to
> >> >Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.
> >> >
> >> >Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My
> >> >speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of
> >the
> >> >steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.
> >> >
> >> >Let me make it more clear. Bin Laden captured would have eliminated
the
> >> >opportunity to stampede the American people into the war in Iraq. So
> >Tommy
> >> >Franks, at Rumsfeld's direction, sat on his hands and let bin Laden
> >escape
> >> >Tora Bora. His reward for this act of loyalty to George Bush was the
> >Medal
> >> >of Freedom.
> >> >
> >> >There could have been a deal with bin Laden that in exchange for
> >> >facilitating his escape, bin Laden would not again directly attack the
> >> >United States. This would explain both the lack of urgency the Bush
> >> >administration has demonstrated in protecting the homeland (lack of
> >funding
> >> >for port security and first responders, for example) and the apparent
> >> >absence of terrorist activity here. [I offer this as a speculation
that
> >fits
> >> >the publicly known facts and the machiavellian nature of the current
> >> >administration. Is there any counter-evidence to refute this
speculation?
> >> >Nothing this administration has done suggests they should be trusted,
and
> >it
> >> >fits their propaganda effort to invade Iraq perfectly.]
> >> >
> >> >Whatever the reasons, letting bin Laden escape at Tora Bora makes
Donald
> >> >Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks and George Bush all complicit in Osama bin
Laden's
> >> >terrorist attacks since then. Those attacks include the ones in Madrid
> >and
> >> >London. Had the American high command supported the CIA at Tora Bora,
> >those
> >> >terrorist victims probably would not have died or been injured.

"cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
news:11fdtk6t9qvctaf@corp.supernews.com...
> humbubba@smart.net
> >
> >"Rick B" <jjayray21@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:W2CJe.342$Ub1.84@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> >> We all know that George Bush gave the outgoing CIA Director the
> >> Congressional Medal of Freedom because he took the fall for the 16 word
> >> Niger uranium reference in the State of the Union speech Bush gave.
What
> >act
> >> of loyalty to Bush did General Tommy Franks perform to get his?
> >>
> >> What about knowingly letting Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora and
> >then
> >> covering it up?
> >>
> >> Newsweek has the story that the CIA and American high command knew bin
> >Laden
> >> was at Tora Bora. This contradicts what Bush and Franks have both told
the
> >> American public.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   the CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora
Bora,
> >> Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin
Laden
> >was
> >> among the hundreds of fleeing Qaeda and Taliban members. Berntsen says
he
> >> had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora -
> >> intelligence operatives had tracked him - and could have been caught.
"He
> >> was there," Berntsen tells NEWSWEEK.
> >>
> >>   ...the decorated career CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's
Defense
> >> Department for not providing enough support to the CIA and the
Pentagon's
> >> own Special Forces teams in the final hours of Tora Bora, says
Berntsen's
> >> lawyer, Roy Krieger. (Berntsen would not divulge the book's specifics,
> >> saying he's awaiting CIA clearance.) That backs up other recent
accounts,
> >> including that of military author Sean Naylor, who calls Tora Bora a
> >> "strategic disaster" because the Pentagon refused to deploy a cordon of
> >> conventional forces to cut off escaping Qaeda and Taliban members. Maj.
> >Todd
> >> Vician, a Defense Department spokesman, says the problem at Tora Bora
"was
> >> not necessarily just the number of troops."
> >> Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command and
> >> allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of
> >> Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty
to
> >> Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.
> >>
> >> Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My
> >> speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of
the
> >> steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.
> >>
> >> Let me make it more clear. Bin Laden captured would have eliminated the
> >> opportunity to stampede the American people into the war in Iraq. So
Tommy
> >> Franks, at Rumsfeld's direction, sat on his hands and let bin Laden
escape
> >> Tora Bora. His reward for this act of loyalty to George Bush was the
Medal
> >> of Freedom.
> >>
> >> There could have been a deal with bin Laden that in exchange for
> >> facilitating his escape, bin Laden would not again directly attack the
> >> United States. This would explain both the lack of urgency the Bush
> >> administration has demonstrated in protecting the homeland (lack of
> >funding
> >> for port security and first responders, for example) and the apparent
> >> absence of terrorist activity here. [I offer this as a speculation that
> >fits
> >> the publicly known facts and the machiavellian nature of the current
> >> administration. Is there any counter-evidence to refute this
speculation?
> >> Nothing this administration has done suggests they should be trusted,
and
> >it
> >> fits their propaganda effort to invade Iraq perfectly.]
> >>
> >> Whatever the reasons, letting bin Laden escape at Tora Bora makes
Donald
> >> Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks and George Bush all complicit in Osama bin
Laden's
> >> terrorist attacks since then. Those attacks include the ones in Madrid
and
> >> London. Had the American high command supported the CIA at Tora Bora,
> >those
> >> terrorist victims probably would not have died or been injured.
> >>
> >>
> >Bin Laden could not have made the GW Bush Friday before the election
> >campaign speech if he had been killed or captured at Tora Bora.  Bin
Laden
> >has been a Bush family asset for many years, Tora Bora would have ruined
> >many things for the whole family and the Carlyle group.  John Keery did
the
> >USA  a great favor by telling us about the incident at Tora Bora didn't
he?
> >
> >He knew they would call him every shade of liar, but he did it any way,
and
> >while doing so, pointed his finger right at the Bush Saudi allianace, and
> >now we see Bush actually kissing the Saudi's on the lips, and holding
their
> >hands while they rape our land and our kids die for them,  Thank you John
> >Kerry, you gave America the truth about the Bush, Bin Laden, Saudi whole
> >sordid, ugly truth.
> >
> >
>
> Did he say "They deliberately let him go." ?

He said Frank's knew they had him and his men pinned down, and he called
them off because he wanted the warlords to capture him. In other words, it
took Franks intervention to stop our troops from the continutaion of the
misssion.  The next day, Bush took Franks on the stump with him for Franks
to swear Kerry was lying. But now we know. I watched the whole thing. Bush
was frantic, and was overly animated and coaching Franks while Franks was
refuting Kerry. Kerry had them down cold Rick, and they wiggled out of it.

>
> Not that I recall. And he probably knew they did.

Kerry has been in DC for years, you know he can get to the inside.  It's
hard to get more connected.


>
> I'd like to know everything Kerry knows about BCCI.

Like I said, Kerry told on them, and the people rejected the truth, because
it was such a bitter pill, and God does not give out bitter pills to his
cult. Right?   Now, are his words true about Bush and the Saudi's? His
second term and he's actually kissing them. Kerry had the goods on them and
Carlyle. Bush is giving them America Rick, and they sponser terror.  What
does that make Bush?
>
>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >Bin Laden could not have made the GW Bush Friday before the election
>> >campaign speech if he had been killed or captured at Tora Bora.  Bin
>Laden
>> >has been a Bush family asset for many years, Tora Bora would have ruined
>> >many things for the whole family and the Carlyle group.  John Keery did
>the
>> >USA  a great favor by telling us about the incident at Tora Bora didn't
>he?
>> >
>> >He knew they would call him every shade of liar, but he did it any way,
>and
>> >while doing so, pointed his finger right at the Bush Saudi allianace, and
>> >now we see Bush actually kissing the Saudi's on the lips, and holding
>their
>> >hands while they rape our land and our kids die for them,  Thank you John
>> >Kerry, you gave America the truth about the Bush, Bin Laden, Saudi whole
>> >sordid, ugly truth.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Did he say "They deliberately let him go." ?
>
>He said Frank's knew they had him and his men pinned down, and he called
>them off because he wanted the warlords to capture him. In other words, it
>took Franks intervention to stop our troops from the continutaion of the
>misssion.  The next day, Bush took Franks on the stump with him for Franks
>to swear Kerry was lying. But now we know. I watched the whole thing. Bush
>was frantic, and was overly animated and coaching Franks while Franks was
>refuting Kerry. Kerry had them down cold Rick, and they wiggled out of it.
>
>>
>> Not that I recall. And he probably knew they did.
>
>Kerry has been in DC for years, you know he can get to the inside.  It's
>hard to get more connected.
>

Like that's a skill for a Forbes.

>
>>
>> I'd like to know everything Kerry knows about BCCI.
>
>Like I said, Kerry told on them, and the people rejected the truth, because
>it was such a bitter pill, and God does not give out bitter pills to his
>cult. Right?   Now, are his words true about Bush and the Saudi's? 

And what did our valiant Kerry say about the Saudis?

Did he say BCCI laundered coke money for Poppy? He kept his Poppy out of
the loop.

>  His
>second term and he's actually kissing them. Kerry had the goods on them and
>Carlyle. Bush is giving them America Rick, and they sponser terror.  What
>does that make Bush?

"a retarded Adolph Hitler", if I may quote myself.

Kerry MAY JUST BARELY be a suitable scab when Dubya is evicted.


>> --
>>
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>> write-in candidate, President of the United States of America
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"cLIeNUX user" <r@cLIeNUX.> wrote in message
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >Bin Laden could not have made the GW Bush Friday before the election
> >> >campaign speech if he had been killed or captured at Tora Bora.  Bin
> >Laden
> >> >has been a Bush family asset for many years, Tora Bora would have
ruined
> >> >many things for the whole family and the Carlyle group.  John Keery
did
> >the
> >> >USA  a great favor by telling us about the incident at Tora Bora
didn't
> >he?
> >> >
> >> >He knew they would call him every shade of liar, but he did it any
way,
> >and
> >> >while doing so, pointed his finger right at the Bush Saudi allianace,
and
> >> >now we see Bush actually kissing the Saudi's on the lips, and holding
> >their
> >> >hands while they rape our land and our kids die for them,  Thank you
John
> >> >Kerry, you gave America the truth about the Bush, Bin Laden, Saudi
whole
> >> >sordid, ugly truth.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Did he say "They deliberately let him go." ?
> >
> >He said Frank's knew they had him and his men pinned down, and he called
> >them off because he wanted the warlords to capture him. In other words,
it
> >took Franks intervention to stop our troops from the continutaion of the
> >misssion.  The next day, Bush took Franks on the stump with him for
Franks
> >to swear Kerry was lying. But now we know. I watched the whole thing.
Bush
> >was frantic, and was overly animated and coaching Franks while Franks was
> >refuting Kerry. Kerry had them down cold Rick, and they wiggled out of
it.
> >
> >>
> >> Not that I recall. And he probably knew they did.
> >
> >Kerry has been in DC for years, you know he can get to the inside.  It's
> >hard to get more connected.
> >
>
> Like that's a skill for a Forbes.

Jealous?  You wish dont you?


>
> >
> >>
> >> I'd like to know everything Kerry knows about BCCI.
> >
> >Like I said, Kerry told on them, and the people rejected the truth,
because
> >it was such a bitter pill, and God does not give out bitter pills to his
> >cult. Right?   Now, are his words true about Bush and the Saudi's?
>
> And what did our valiant Kerry say about the Saudis?
>
> Did he say BCCI laundered coke money for Poppy? He kept his Poppy out of
> the loop.

Sure, he had press conference about just that Rick.


> >  His
> >second term and he's actually kissing them. Kerry had the goods on them
and
> >Carlyle. Bush is giving them America Rick, and they sponser terror.  What
> >does that make Bush?
>
> "a retarded Adolph Hitler", if I may quote myself.

It makes him complict in the terror he claims to be fighting.


>
> Kerry MAY JUST BARELY be a suitable scab when Dubya is evicted.
>

Hey, you asked, I told you, if you don't like the answer, dont ask the
questions. Kerry told the truth. Maybe you dont like that any more that the
Bush culists.  You seem to have shy from it by trying to make bad joke.
Next time you want a serious answer ask your buddy krusty.  He's more on you
maturity level. So long asshole.


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>> >> I'd like to know everything Kerry knows about BCCI.
>> >
>> >Like I said, Kerry told on them, and the people rejected the truth,
>because
>> >it was such a bitter pill, and God does not give out bitter pills to his
>> >cult. Right?   Now, are his words true about Bush and the Saudi's?
>>
>> And what did our valiant Kerry say about the Saudis?
>>
>> Did he say BCCI laundered coke money for Poppy? He kept his Poppy out of
>> the loop.
>
>Sure, he had press conference about just that Rick.
>

John Kerry said BCCI laundered coke money for GHW Bush. When?


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>> >
>>
>> Did he say "They deliberately let him go." ?
>
>He said Frank's knew they had him and his men pinned down, and he called
>them off because he wanted the warlords to capture him. In other words, it
>took Franks intervention to stop our troops from the continutaion of the
>misssion.  The next day, Bush took Franks on the stump with him for Franks
>to swear Kerry was lying. But now we know. I watched the whole thing. Bush
>was frantic, and was overly animated and coaching Franks while Franks was
>refuting Kerry. Kerry had them down cold Rick, and they wiggled out of it.
>
>>
>> Not that I recall. And he probably knew they did.
>
>Kerry has been in DC for years, you know he can get to the inside.  It's
>hard to get more connected.
>
>
>>
>> I'd like to know everything Kerry knows about BCCI.
>
>Like I said, Kerry told on them, and the people rejected the truth, because

"Kerry told on them" is a fascinating phrase. What else isn't he telling
on them? Far too much I'm quite sure. That's why Kerry voted for the war.  
He IS them.

Like how the primaries were stolen from Dean for example.

Hey guys, I think our friend ren is back as XTS.




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"Rick B" <jjayray21@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:W2CJe.342$Ub1.84@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...

> Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command and 
> allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of 
> Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty to 
> Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.

It's easy to attribute some kind oof evil to Bush's dumbass strategy, 
becuase he is a truly evil man.
But he's also a blithering idiot - not nearly up to the task of commanding 
the military.


> Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My 
> speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of the 
> steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.

No - capturing bin Laden would not have had any effect on the propoganda 
about Hussein getting ready to nuke the US and Israel.

Capturing Bin Laden will have little effect on the Camel War...


Rick B wrote:
> We all know that George Bush gave the outgoing CIA Director the 
> Congressional Medal of Freedom because he took the fall for the 16 word 
> Niger uranium reference in the State of the Union speech Bush gave. What act 
> of loyalty to Bush did General Tommy Franks perform to get his?
> 
> What about knowingly letting Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora and then 
> covering it up?
> 
> Newsweek has the story that the CIA and American high command knew bin Laden 
> was at Tora Bora. This contradicts what Bush and Franks have both told the 
> American public.
> 
> 
> 
>   the CIA field commander for the agency's Jawbreaker team at Tora Bora, 
> Gary Berntsen, says he and other U.S. commanders did know that bin Laden was 
> among the hundreds of fleeing Qaeda and Taliban members. Berntsen says he 
> had definitive intelligence that bin Laden was holed up at Tora Bora - 
> intelligence operatives had tracked him - and could have been caught. "He 
> was there," Berntsen tells NEWSWEEK.
> 
>   ...the decorated career CIA officer criticizes Donald Rumsfeld's Defense 
> Department for not providing enough support to the CIA and the Pentagon's 
> own Special Forces teams in the final hours of Tora Bora, says Berntsen's 
> lawyer, Roy Krieger. (Berntsen would not divulge the book's specifics, 
> saying he's awaiting CIA clearance.) That backs up other recent accounts, 
> including that of military author Sean Naylor, who calls Tora Bora a 
> "strategic disaster" because the Pentagon refused to deploy a cordon of 
> conventional forces to cut off escaping Qaeda and Taliban members. Maj. Todd 
> Vician, a Defense Department spokesman, says the problem at Tora Bora "was 
> not necessarily just the number of troops."
> Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command and 
> allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of 
> Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty to 
> Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.
> 
> Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My 
> speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of the 
> steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.
> 
> Let me make it more clear. Bin Laden captured would have eliminated the 
> opportunity to stampede the American people into the war in Iraq. So Tommy 
> Franks, at Rumsfeld's direction, sat on his hands and let bin Laden escape 
> Tora Bora. His reward for this act of loyalty to George Bush was the Medal 
> of Freedom.
> 
> There could have been a deal with bin Laden that in exchange for 
> facilitating his escape, bin Laden would not again directly attack the 
> United States. This would explain both the lack of urgency the Bush 
> administration has demonstrated in protecting the homeland (lack of funding 
> for port security and first responders, for example) and the apparent 
> absence of terrorist activity here. [I offer this as a speculation that fits 
> the publicly known facts and the machiavellian nature of the current 
> administration. Is there any counter-evidence to refute this speculation? 
> Nothing this administration has done suggests they should be trusted, and it 
> fits their propaganda effort to invade Iraq perfectly.]
> 
> Whatever the reasons, letting bin Laden escape at Tora Bora makes Donald 
> Rumsfeld, Tommy Franks and George Bush all complicit in Osama bin Laden's 
> terrorist attacks since then. Those attacks include the ones in Madrid and 
> London. Had the American high command supported the CIA at Tora Bora, those 
> terrorist victims probably would not have died or been injured.
> 
> 

cLIeNUX user wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> Did he say "They deliberately let him go." ?
> >
> >He said Frank's knew they had him and his men pinned down, and he called
> >them off because he wanted the warlords to capture him. In other words, it
> >took Franks intervention to stop our troops from the continutaion of the
> >misssion.  The next day, Bush took Franks on the stump with him for Franks
> >to swear Kerry was lying. But now we know. I watched the whole thing. Bush
> >was frantic, and was overly animated and coaching Franks while Franks was
> >refuting Kerry. Kerry had them down cold Rick, and they wiggled out of it.
> >
> >>
> >> Not that I recall. And he probably knew they did.
> >
> >Kerry has been in DC for years, you know he can get to the inside.  It's
> >hard to get more connected.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I'd like to know everything Kerry knows about BCCI.
> >
> >Like I said, Kerry told on them, and the people rejected the truth, because
>
> "Kerry told on them" is a fascinating phrase. What else isn't he telling
> on them? Far too much I'm quite sure. That's why Kerry voted for the war.
> He IS them.
>
> Like how the primaries were stolen from Dean for example.
>
>

Right on.  The Democrats refused to win this one for picking flip-flop
Kerry to run for them.  If they had picked Dean, he'd probably be in
the White House now.

A note to the Democrats - don't pick the weak guy just because you
think he'll appeal to some of the conservatives.  You'll just wind up
with another wimp like Clinton in the White House, who the Republicans
will be able to control with a little bit of pressure.

"Sanders Kaufman" <NNTP@kau.fman.net> wrote in message 
news:GZDJe.593$bm3.4@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> "Rick B" <jjayray21@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:W2CJe.342$Ub1.84@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>
>> Is concealing the intentional inaction of the American high command and 
>> allowing bin Laden to escape the reason Tommy Franks got his "Medal of 
>> Freedom" from George Bush? If so, he got it for an act of high loyalty to 
>> Bush -- and total disloyalty to America and to the victims of 9/11.
>
> It's easy to attribute some kind oof evil to Bush's dumbass strategy, 
> becuase he is a truly evil man.
> But he's also a blithering idiot - not nearly up to the task of commanding 
> the military.
>

Dumb as he is, he still gets intelligent people to do his dirty work. Condi 
Rice is not stupid. Neither (for the most part) is Don Rumsfeld.

Besides, the Presidency is operated as a tirumverate. Rove/Cheney and Bush 
as the front man giving speeched and kept in an information bubble so that 
he never has to face the results of his decisions. Bush is no analyst, but 
he is socially very bright. That doesn't require preparation. He just does 
it. Cheney is bright. He is also so totally warped into conservative 
politics that he doesn't recognize the difference between reality and 
ideology. Rove never graduated from college because he was too busy fixing 
elections. He is a really outstanding election-fixer, but that is his total 
focus.

Everyone else in the administration is a synchophant and hanger-on. If they 
present bad news to the triumverate, they get left out of the action from 
then on and shortly are moved out. The triumverate sets the directions. We 
used to joke about the general who would walk into our staff tent, walk over 
to the map, wave his had over it and say "We are attacking that direction." 
Funny, his hand nver wavered over the rivers and mine fields we had to plan 
to cross.

The triumverate does the hand-waving. A non-analytical  very socially 
skilled individual who mangles the language can do that quite well, 
especially with the other two behind him and armed with speech-writers and 
teleprompters.

>
>> Why would they specifically avoid catching bin Laden at Tora Bora? My 
>> speculation is that catching him at that time would have taken most of 
>> the steam out of Bush's effort to invade Iraq.
>
> No - capturing bin Laden would not have had any effect on the propoganda 
> about Hussein getting ready to nuke the US and Israel.

It would have relieved the public of fear and tension about another 
terrorist attack, and allowed voters to think with their heads instead of 
reacting in fear when they voted. It would have appeared that the great 
unknown could be dealt with. Instead, with Osama still out there, a large 
part of our population felt the need to lash out at someone. Saddam was a 
perfect patsy.

So I guess I am saying that while you may be right on the propaganda coming 
out of the White House, the reception of the propaganda by the general 
publica would have been very different with Osama under control or known 
dead.

<sbm2004@telus.net> wrote in message 
news:1123490325.515874.102880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

> The Democrats refused to win this one for picking flip-flop
> Kerry to run for them.  If they had picked Dean, he'd probably be in
> the White House now.

Sadly, that's very true.
American voters respond more to flash and drama then to sober, intelligent 
honor.

They picked Kerry because he was Bush's frat brother - and they thought that 
would appeal to Bush's followers.
But they should would have done better with Dean, or Sheen, or P.T. Barnum.



> You'll just wind up
> with another wimp like Clinton in the White House, who the Republicans
> will be able to control with a little bit of pressure.

I wish the Republicans would control Bush as well as you think they 
controlled Clinton.

A Sore-Losing Publication feeds the Sore Losers BS and they lap it up and go 
into a frenzy.

Their lagging sales are boosted and the sore losers
continue to lose.   LOL! 

"Sanders Kaufman" <NNTP@kau.fman.net> wrote in message 
news:xsIJe.751$A86.206@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> <sbm2004@telus.net> wrote in message 
> news:1123490325.515874.102880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> The Democrats refused to win this one for picking flip-flop
>> Kerry to run for them.  If they had picked Dean, he'd probably be in
>> the White House now.
>
> Sadly, that's very true.
> American voters respond more to flash and drama then to sober, intelligent 
> honor.
>
> They picked Kerry because he was Bush's frat brother - and they thought 
> that would appeal to Bush's followers.
> But they should would have done better with Dean, or Sheen, or P.T. 
> Barnum.
>
>
>
>> You'll just wind up
>> with another wimp like Clinton in the White House, who the Republicans
>> will be able to control with a little bit of pressure.
>
> I wish the Republicans would control Bush as well as you think they 
> controlled Clinton.
>
aaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggggg!
> 

"Sanders Kaufman" <NNTP@kau.fman.net> wrote in message
news:xsIJe.751$A86.206@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> <sbm2004@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:1123490325.515874.102880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The Democrats refused to win this one for picking flip-flop
> > Kerry to run for them.  If they had picked Dean, he'd probably be in
> > the White House now.
>
> Sadly, that's very true.
> American voters respond more to flash and drama then to sober, intelligent
> honor.
>
> They picked Kerry because he was Bush's frat brother - and they thought
that
> would appeal to Bush's followers.
> But they should would have done better with Dean, or Sheen, or P.T.
Barnum.

Not with Diebiold in the pic, it would not have mattered.


>
>
> > You'll just wind up
> > with another wimp like Clinton in the White House, who the Republicans
> > will be able to control with a little bit of pressure.
>
> I wish the Republicans would control Bush as well as you think they
> controlled Clinton.
>
>

Don't you mean Dean would be under the remains of the White House by now?

Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> <sbm2004@telus.net> wrote in message
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> > The Democrats refused to win this one for picking flip-flop
> > Kerry to run for them.  If they had picked Dean, he'd probably be in
> > the White House now.
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> Sadly, that's very true.
> American voters respond more to flash and drama then to sober, intelligent
> honor.
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> They picked Kerry because he was Bush's frat brother - and they thought that
> would appeal to Bush's followers.
> But they should would have done better with Dean, or Sheen, or P.T. Barnum.
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> > You'll just wind up
> > with another wimp like Clinton in the White House, who the Republicans
> > will be able to control with a little bit of pressure.
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> I wish the Republicans would control Bush as well as you think they
> controlled Clinton.

They do.  That's the problem.

And to be honest, the Republicans didn't really "control" Clinton.
Rather, Clinton lacked the guts to stand up to them.  Letting Greenspan
keep his job after causing the 90-91 recession, for instance.

Oh yeah, and let us not forget screwing up healthcare reform.