Calling off the Search for Xpat, hacker, etc.

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3 total messages Started by Joseph Dunphy Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:00

#698

Author: Joseph Dunphy
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:00

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Oh, brother.

To recap : put post up, entitled "Illusory Freedom of prostitution",
providing a counterargument, to the position offered on line, that
outlawing prostitution, undermines a woman's freedom to use her body as
she pleases, pointing out the manner in which it oversimplifies the issue,
by ignoring the reality of certain societal constraints.

Post is censored, by forged cancel, repeatedly, before it stays up.

Ask group for help locating self-appointed censor.

"Tommy the Terrorist" (mayday@super.zippo.com) volunteers, claims to find
evidence that cancels MIGHT HAVE come from JEM@xpat.com.

I ask for help in finding host for xpat.com doamin. At present, no help
has come from Xnet, my ISP, despite repeated requests.

       Request for help in locating xpat.com answered overwhelmingly.
       By the way, thanks. But.....

After I have spent some time asking around about the proper protocol in
Korean society, to address such an issue, so I don't cause offense at the
other end.....

Tommy now indicates that JEM (John Milburn) is his least likely candidate,
and is talking at length about a conspiracy to destroy the internet. 


Oops.


So, it would seem that I've been getting my information from a very
questionable source. Please, if anyone else was thinking of following up
on this, don't do it. Someone apparently saw a chance to advance an agenda
of his own, and this occasion was an opportunity for him to do so.

So, end of issue. I've wasted far more time, on this wild goose
chase that Tommy's been leading me on, than I ever lost to the asshole who
was forging the cancels, and it makes no sense to waste any more. Please
don't look, and if you do know, please don't tell me about it. I really
don't care to find out. It's a dead issue.

I said that when this was resolved, I'd never do another non-tech post.
That call has never seemed sounder, than it does now. I'd like to thank
the rest of you who took the time to send information, again, and please
don't think, that just because the attempt proved to have been a waste of
time, that the effort on my behalf wasn't appreciated. Actually, the
response at that point, was one of the better memories I'll be leaving the
net with. I just wish it hadn't been misdirected by bad information,
like this.

Goodbye.

Re: Calling off the Search for Xpat, hacker, etc.

#699

Author: Nobody, Really
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 00:00

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> Goodbye.

YES!!!!  I guess we can kiss one of alt.flames 50 most annoying people of all 
time goodbye.  Let me be the first to say that you'll be back, and if you
won't, I won't miss you for a second.

Re: Calling off the Search for Xpat, hacker, etc.

#700

Author: Tommy the Terrorist
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:00

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In article <66qjis$l6g$1@flood.xnet.com> Joseph Dunphy,
stats@typhoon.xnet.com writes:
>Tommy now indicates that JEM (John Milburn) is his least likely candidate,
>and is talking at length about a conspiracy to destroy the internet. 

Look:  I started off by finding an equivalence between the first six
digits of "spam" that was cancelled, and posts.  Seemed like an odd
coincidence.  I'm told it's the "datestamp" and nothing to worry about
... but only the spam cancels come up with such coincidences.  I don't
know what to make of it.  It was an odd fluke of Dejanews' 6-digit
matches I guess.

But there's just shit out there that makes me paranoid...  like when
people are SO sure the spam cancels are safe, that no sooner do I start
talking about them then they disappear.

From: jorn@mcs.com (Jorn Barger)
Newsgroups:
alt.culture.www,comp.infosystems.search,comp.infosystems.www.misc,al   
t.conspiracy
Subject: DejaNews's "War On Spam"???
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:39:43 -0500
Organization: The Robot Wisdom pages : www.mcs.net/~jorn/
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Message-ID: <1d158xe.17f9lycrugiqkN@jorn.pr.mcs.net>
References: <N971211_8U.X@clari.net>

ClariNet is reporting that DejaNews has begun filtering spam...
but something doesn't ring true for me here:

> Deja News said it implemented its anti-spam strategy December 1.  
> In the next month, company officials said that any spam archived 
> in the firm's 300 gigabyte database -- dating back to March 1995 
> -- will be removed. 

So far, so good.

> Deja News collects about 730,000 messages a day from Usenet  
> newsgroups, which totals about five gigabytes of data. About 
> two-thirds of those postings are either spam messages or messages 
> sent to cancel spam. All of those messages creates "a major impediment
> to information access and (causes) frustration for users," company 
> officials said at the time. 

So they've been saving the cancelled messages, AND the cancel
messages???  WHY???  Why should we even be hearing about this, if it was
just such poor design in their original database?

> On Wednesday, Wilson affirmed Deja News' anti-spam stance when he  
> said that his customers complained about spam more than anything 
> else when they used the Deja News service. 

I think I can say quite honestly that I've *never* seen any spam on
DejaNews, because I search by author or keyword.  I occasionally see a
cancel message, but it's never a spam-cancel, always by the author (or
someone forging that author).

So apparently, most people use DejaNews because they're too lazy to set
up a dedicated newsreader, and simply search by newsgroup name...?

But is it possible that what's really happening is ***censorship of
content***, that they'll explain away as 'unavoidable side-effects' of
their spam filters???

I suggest that people who've made provocative posts have a look, over
the next few weeks, to see how many of their controversial old messages
silently drop away...

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