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Bye Diane

I'm not interested and frankly bored by your diatribes

Rikki
<snip>

Fer gods sake get a life will ya,

Bye.


--
Louise

Yawn

Kym
Diane <diane@pachell.net> wrote in message
news:ksmA7.151$yx2.65490117@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> NOTE:  This article originally posted as "Debunking Laura Masters" by
> shana@ix.netcom.com  - one of the few **definitive** posts as to the
> nature of sad" Laura" Blake Masters....
>
> From: shana@ix.netcom.com (shana@ix.netcom.com)
> Subject: Re: Debunking L. D. Masters (was: Re: Dangerous Minds)
> Newsgroups: can.motss, alt.personals.transgendered, alt.sex.trans,
> alt.homosexual.alt.sex, alt.sex.aliens, alt.sex.anal,
> alt.sex.fetish.fashion, alt.sex.services
> View: Complete Thread (5 articles) | Original Format
> Date: 1996/05/24
>
>
> I am about to perform the single greatest sin that a transgendered
> person can commit when dealing with another transgendered person.
>
> However, I will make a case that the person who goes by the name
> "Laura Denise Masters" is, in fact, NOT transgendered but suffers
> from one of the oldest forms of shame and denial that has ever
> infected the gay community -- homophobia.  This is a person who is
> so horribly ashamed of being a gay man that he, yes HE, has done
> everything but "take the plunge".
>
> I will present this in several parts.  First, I will debunk the
> "internalized transphobia" argument used by this person by showing
> that surgical modifications to transgendered people have been
> occuring as long as we've had historical accounts of transgendered
> persons.  Second, I will show that the "womanhood" of this person
> is a sham by pointing to various clearly male traits.  Third, I
> will show that the true internal identity of this person is that
> of a homosexual male by pointing to various language constructs
> he has used in other newsgroups when refering to heterosexual men
> and women.  Fourth, I will show that he is subconsciously declaring
> his gender by refusing to change from his male name to his assumed
> female name.  And lastly, I will lay out the laundry list of problems
> this person seems to demonstrate.
>
> Why am I doing this?  Because the posting below is not supportive
> of anything but Mr. Masters =continued= insistence on being "right"
> while the rest of us are "wrong".  Remember -- "internalize
> transphobia" is such a unique term that using it is likely to get
> you branded as a L. D. Masters clone.
>
> And before I begin, here is the article showing true Master's style --
>
>
> Laura Masters wrote:
> > In soc.support.transgendered,  thwilson@bnr.ca (Diane Wilson) wrote:
> > ->What is it with all these assholes coming out of the woodwork and
posting
> > ->hate from behind anonymity?  These are the same people who don't want
to be
> > ->part of this community anyway.  Does anyone have a good explanation of
why
> > ->they're here?  I'm *quite* sure that they can't--and won't--give us
any
> > ->good reasons.
> >
> > Diane,
> > The hatred that constantly spews forth from the asshole gallery is the
> > direct result of Internalized Transphobia.
> >
> > Transgendered people who hate transgendered people
> >
> > Transsexuals who hate their own peers, unless they have a sex-change.
> >
> > Transsexuals who had sex-changes because they hated both their own peers
> > and themselves.
> >
> > People who would deny the very existence of community, preferring insted
to
> > treat everything personally.  (and getting REALLY hurt in the process)
> >
> > People who can't deny the existence of community, and will do anything
in
> > their power to escape it.
> >
> > In other words... people who can't handle reality.
> >
> > --
> >
> >         Laura Masters
> >         -------------
>
> 1. The long-term existence of surgical and hormonal treatments for
>    the transgendered.
>
> In the document "An open letter to Physicians", Dr. Sarah Seton writes
> about the history of transgendered persons and notes that one of the
> earliest primitive sexual reassignments was performed in Rome.  Here
> she writes
>
> "Frequently in history, the cross gendered drives of afflicted
> transsexuals extended to primitive physical alteration of
> their bodies to conform to the characteristics of the sex of
> choice; one of the earliest reported sex-reassignment
> surgeries was done in ancient Rome."
>
> Clearly the argument that surgical reassignment is a modern construct
> is false.  Various surgeries were performed in Roman Empire times, and
> while medical knowledge was quite crude, no matter how crude this SRS
> was, it clearly =was= SRS.
>
> Furthermore, castration has long been performed.  Castrates were used
> for a great number of purposes in ancient times.  Since we know that
> castration greatly reduces male hormones, it cannot be argued that the
> modern practice of endocrinology is responsible for the alteration of
> hormone balances in transsexuals.
>
> Combined with the primitive forms of SRS, what we have is a clear
> demonstration that genital alteration and the changing of the natural
> hormonal balance is far older than the 50 years with Mr. Masters uses
> as his justification for attacking the current medical model.
>
> 2. The personality of L. D. Masters is decidedly male and bears
>    nothing in common with the classical female personality.
>
> There are a great many "male" traits which women despise.  What is it
> about men which makes women uncomfortable about them, and why do women
> demand "Women only space"?
>
> Men think differently than women.  It is the basis for being
> transgendered that we think differently that our biological sex tells
> us we should think.
>
> The best example I have is the quote by Vince Lombardi
>
> "Winning isn't everything, it is the only thing."
>
> Yes, there are women who do this.  And the ones who do it too much
> rapidly run out of friends.  Men who don't do this are rapidly
> categorized as wimps, fags, and fairies.  When a woman comes across
> like this she is called a "bitch" or a "ball buster", told she is
> "strident", and even accused of "acting like a man".
>
> This is the behavior we see out of Mr. Masters.  There is only one
> true
> path for the transgendered -- the Laura Denise Masters Keep Your Penis
> path.  We have heard about "internalized transphobia" so much that we
> are tired.  This has not stopped him from continuing to present it
> because he =must= be right.  He must eventually "win" the argument he
> started probably the first day he posted here.
>
> Mr. Masters acts like a man because he =is= a man.
>
> 3. Laura Denise Masters is not a heterosexual-identified woman in a
>    male body, but rather a homosexual-identified man in a male body.
>
> Many of the transgendered persons in this group identify as "straight
> woman".  You are sexually attracted to men and you view yourself as a
> woman.  In common terms, you are heterosexual -- attracted to the
> opposite sex.
>
> To call you a "gay man" would be an insult, and certainly you would
> find the term "het woman" or "hets" insulting.  When I viewed myself
> as a heterosexual male (I never did in reality -- I always viewed
> myself as a male lesbian ...) I certainly never liked being called a
> "het man" or anything which mocked my orientation.
>
> Yet here we have a posting of a person who claims to be a heterosexual
> woman.  This person has a boyfriend named XXXX (sorry, my ethics got
> the
> best of me -- his name isn't your business ;-).  Just yesterday or the
> day before, Mr. Masters justified his sexual behavior by pointing out
> that many couples use anal sex for birth control.  So clearly he is
> claiming that he is a woman and that his sexual behaviors are
> acceptable within the definition of "normal" for a heterosexual woman.
>
> Here is the quote.  The source is DejaNews.  The group is can.motss
> (motss == Member Of The Same Sex), a local Canadian HOMOSEXUAL
> newsgroup, and the subject is "Re: Canadian Human Rights Act
> amendments
>  - text".  You can find it for yourself.
>
> "The term "sexual orientation" applies equally to
> heterosexuals,
> bisexuals, and homosexuals.  It will be interesting to see
> the
> hets argue against this since we can all (rather smugly)
> remind them that they are arguing against an expansion of
> their own rights.  Arguing against Gay rights is the same as
> arguing against hetrosexual rights!"
>
> Remember that the language we use is a window into our souls.  Since
> age 15 I referred to myself as a "male lesbian" (you can find a
> posting
> where I said this prior to my coming out -- if DejaNews went back far
> enough, you'd find a lot more of them).  This is my subconscious
> saying
> that my gender identity is female and my affectional orientation is
> towards women.
>
> So here you have a person -- we'll leave the gender out for a moment
> --
> who ridicules heterosexuals and is known to have a lover who is a man.
>
> If that person were heterosexual, they certainly would not be making
> fun of heterosexuals.  Therefore they are homosexual.  And since that
> persons lover is a man, they must view themselves as ... a man.  We
> use
> words and show our souls -- Mr. Masters showed that he is a gay man.
>
> 4. The continued use of a male name and identity on official documents
>    further betrays his assertion that he is a woman.
>
> Of all the transsexuals in this newsgroup, I am aware of only one who
> did not change their legal name, and that is Dana Hamm.  I do not know
> what her maiden name was, but she (by her own report) did not change
> her first name.  Very few transsexuals retain their original first
> name and the ones who have seem periodically distressed.
>
> Yet here we have a "woman" who continues to carry a Canadian driver's
> license giving his legal name as a man.  I know a transvestite here in
> town named "Kelly".  His legal name is "Kurt".  We know he is a
> transvestite because, well, he is.  And I know a great many drag
> queens
> who use female names on stage.  They retained their legal names
> because
> that is their identity -- they are the men whose names appear on their
> legal papers.  If a drag queen transitioned to be a woman he would
> rapidly find himself outside of his peer group.  Mr. Masters cannot
> fully become a woman because he is a gay man.  His name gives him that
> life-line back into manhood and rescues him from a loss of his peers.
> His creation of the unknown disorder "internalized transphobia" gives
> him a superior position from which to preach.  The name becomes
> subtext.
> It is no longer obvious, probably even to himself, that he retains his
> male name because he is a man.
>
> Stop and think -- one of the first acts when entering RLT is changing
> all of the legal papers from male names to female names.  Here is a
> person claiming to be "living the life" as a woman and his drivers
> license has a man's name on it.  According to Mr. Masters, he is
> regularly told someone has made a mistake, or asked if he has the
> correct license.  Why would he do this to himself?  Because his mind
> has declared that his gender identity is MAN.  Denial demands a
> plausible reason to remain in denial ("I'm not an alcoholic -- I've
> never been fired from a job for drinking" -- of course, you've had
> several failed marriages, been to jail a few times, have chronically
> poor health -- nope, drinking isn't a problem).  Mr. Masters has his
> plausible explanation -- he is a woman, and therefore not a gay man.
> Why look -- he has breasts and wears women's clothes.   At the local
> gay and lesbian bar I frequent, he'd be a drag queen.  Many of the
> queens there insist they are transsexuals or transgenderists.
>
> 5. Laura Denise Masters shows all of the signs of being severely
>    mentally disturbed.
>
> Obviously I cannot practice psychoanalysis without the formal
> training,
> but who else is regularly subject to DSM IV-based analysis?  It is
> almost a sport around here to apply parts of the DSM to him.  I hate
> to use an argument to mob mentality, but clearly there is something
> very weird going on here.
>
> He is clearly paranoid -- everyone is out to get him.  See 301.0 for a
>   differential diagnosis.
>
> He is narcissistic -- he alone has done everything so well.  See
> 301.81
>   for a differential diagnosis.
>
> He is extremely anti-social -- there are precious few people in this
>   group who play with him for any amount of time.  See 301.7 for the
>   differential diagnosis.
>
> You are free to accept the argument or reject it.  I am sick and tired
> of watching this person repeat the lie that transsexuals suffer from
> internalized transphobia.  Body alterations have been documented for
> millenia and many of the alternations in historical use are far more
> obvious than genital plastic surgery.  Of all the posters claiming to
> be women, he is the singularly most male.  Being an effeminate male
> homosexual is not the same as being a woman and yet Larry or Lawrence
> or Leroy or whatever his name, he is by all indications nothing more
> than an effeminate male homosexual who is horribly ashamed of
> admitting
> that fact.
>
> And that sad thing is that there is absolutely nothing wrong with
> being
> the most nelly queen on the planet.  It's a shame that no one told him
> that.
>
> If anyone is into a creature such as this you can contact him at
> lmasters@vaxxine.com
>
>
>