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Article #33Re: Canada and Quebec (was: REFERENDUM '92)
From: W.A.Simon
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 13:39
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1992 13:39
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In <1992Nov4.052742.16237@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) agonizes over our institutions: > >> Don't mind me, I'm in a cynical mood today. > > How could any half intelligent device not become cynical? > Gee, how odd, you sound cynical too. :-) This device has evolved its cynicism as a survival mechanism. This device is not programmed for faith. > > There seems to be a growing feeling that our system needs change, not > > just new faces. Maybe it is time to come out with (very firm) > > suggestions. > I think it does too. Unfortunately I have no suggestions, because I > don't know what the right thing to do is. On this issue, rest in peace: democracy, however brittle, however fragile, is the only way. Any other way leads to abuses of power. Democracy only leads to abuses of sanity. I don't believe we should torture ourselves in order to find alternatives; there are none. > All the good-seeming (to me) > systems of government simply do not work when applied to as many people > as are in even a small European country, never mind places like Canada > or the US. Think again. Here, you confuse democracy as principle of government with democracy as implemented. > Communism works fine up to somewhere around 25 to 50 > people; beyond that it seems to be extremely hard to keep it from > either being torn apart by internal friction or turning into > dictatorship in disguise. It is called peer pressure... |8-) > Democracy works for larger groups, but is > utterly hopeless for the number of people present even in Montreal, > never mind Canada - I don't think I've heard of a workable democracy > ever involving more people than the city-states of ancient Greece. Then we must find another way of managing democracy. > Anarchy is fine provided that all the people involved truly do value > the common good above the individual good, but *that* requires either > some screening we don't know how to do yet or else a fundamental change > in basic human nature. Anarchy, even more than democracy, is a form of society for wise and educated people. People are never wise. And our current institutions have insured that we are not really educated. > Any of various forms of dictatorship is fine > provided the dictator is truly benevolent and the populace all agree > with the dictator on a few basic values - but that too we don't know > how to ensure. And then, when the benevolent dictator disappears, the wheels and gears are in place for a really nasty bugger to take over... > And any of these would cause a major upset during the transition from > our current system to the new system. No, I really don't have any > suggestions.... This is also why I don't advocate radical change; I intend to show that our best interest resides with the introduction of slow, phased in reforms in the attitude of our leaders. I don't expect them to cooperate willingly, but that's a whole new post... ... coming up. -- Alain [ ... usual disclaimer... ]
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!psgrain!charnel!sifon!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!sobeco!zap!unimtl!elevia!alain From: alain@elevia.uniforum.qc.ca (W.A.Simon) Newsgroups: socs.misc,alt.canada,soc.canada,alt.politics.canada,mcgill.general,soc.culture.canada,can.politics Subject: Re: Canada and Quebec (was: REFERENDUM '92) Message-ID: <14062@elevia.uniforum.qc.ca> References: <1992Oct26.000340.14150@cs.mcgill.ca> <14052@elevia.uniforum.qc.ca> <14054@elevia.uniforum.qc.ca> <1992Nov4.052742.16237@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> Date: 07 Nov 92 08:39:53 EST Lines: 79