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Re: Virtual PC smokes!

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From: Sanford Barton
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:00
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I'm a new MAC user, switched over from a PC (no shit, I really did!).
I work with UNIX workstations and servers all day at work, and needed
less stress, less maintenance, and more enjoyment from my home machine.
So I bought a UMAX C500 clone and have been VERY pleased with its
performance and ofcourse MacOS.  But I wanted to do some light development
with the Java 1.1 JDK and threw a purchace on VirtualPC to run a
development environment I'm comfortable with and run the JDK 1.1 software
which isn't available on the Mac yet.

Well, I installed Virtual PC on my 180mhz 603e and performance is lousy,
and unuseable.  For example, I experiance delays of about 1 second when
traversing each entry on the start menu of win95.  I would estimate the
performance of being that of a slow 386sx25 with 8mb of ram.  Not giving
up on it though.  I suppose that I need to upgrade my hardware since my
machine is the minimum suggested by Connectix.  Perhaps the 604e is the
trick to better performance, although I'm not going to be geting one anytime
soon. Or, maybe its the video subsystem thats slowing things down.  
I've got 48mb in my machine and that gives win95 about 24mb to work with.

Just thought I would share my experiances for anyone with similar hardware
looing to do the same.

Bart

In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.970718093731.8194B-100000@howard>, Patrick
<patrick@howard.genetics.virus.utah.edu> wrote:

> FOR DIRECT REPLY:  remove "virus" from my email address.
> 
> On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, Lyle Zynda wrote:
> 
> > In article <5qeimn$jlt$1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, billv@Eng.Sun.COM wrote:
> > 
> > > I just installed Virtual PC with Win95 on my PowerMac 7500 604/150 and I
> > can't believe the snappiness in performance. This is definately faster
> > than SoftWindows, and much cheaper. From my own estimate, comparing it to
> > the 90mhz Pentium I use at work, it seems to be performing equivilant to
> > approximately a 75MHz Pentium - this is running on a 150MHz PPC 604 with
> > 512K cache. Since Virtual PC is optimized for the 604e version of the PPC,
> [...]
> > playable.)  I'd say the overall subjective feel of Virtual PC (running on
> > a 604e/200 PowerMac with a 1M L2 cache) is a Pentium PC running at between
> > 75-90MHz.  This would hardly satisfy a PC "power user," but it's enough
> [...]
> 
> I would expect that VPC on a 200 MHz PPC 604 SHOULD be about equivalent to
> a 100 MHz Pentium (this assumes linear speed benefits to vpc with
> increases in PPC speed AND assuming that a 150 MHz 604 on vpc is
> equivalent to a 75 MHz P5).  I would also expect that to get about the
> performance of a 133 MHz P5 you would need a 266 MHz PPC.  Anyone with
> something along this line able to confirm the speeds?  Perhaps by running
> the Quake timedemo benchmark?  Also, I BELIEVE there is a means in Duke
> Nukem 3D to get a framerate indication onscreen.  It isn't as clean as the
> timedemo method of Quake but it would give an indication of what is being
> seen.  With a 133 MHz P5-performing VPC you would essentially be able to
> run all PC game software at decent and playable speeds...with Quake being
> somewhat of an anomaly due to the fpu usage.
> 
> patrick
> FOR DIRECT REPLY:  remove "virus" from my email address.
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From: sanbart@ix.netcom.com (Sanford Barton)
Subject: Re: Virtual PC smokes!
Date: 1997/07/22
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