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Re: The Five Ways of Aquinas

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From: Don Kresch
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:00
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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 06:26:25 GMT, in alt.atheism, wizkid@eskimo.com (J. Michael
Phillips) etched in the space-time continuum

>On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:15:45 GMT, George Reese <borg@imaginary.com>
>wrote:
>
>***snip***
>>
>>While one cannot say if somethign exists outside the universe, one can
>>certainly say that such things have no causal relation to our
>>universe.  If they did, they would be part of our universe.
>
>That's not true.  

	Yes, it most certainly is. To interact with anything in the universe, it
must be part of the universe. 

>If one causes a ripple in a pond, does one become
>PART of the pond? 

	No, but one interacts with the pond and must obey the laws we have
discovered about water, etc. 'Sides, it's matter, we're matter....we can
interact with it. What about "gawd"?

> Can one not make ripples in the pond from outside
>the pond?

	Yeah. The pond is of the universe. We are of the universe. Your point is
flawed.

[snip]

Don

alt.atheism atheist #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

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From: rot13.qxerfpu@rkrpcp.pbz.getridof.com (Don Kresch)
Subject: Re: The Five Ways of Aquinas
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