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Re: Clifford - Cohen - Foster - murder

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From: PTRAVEL
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 23:59
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"Tom Moore" <email_for_tom_knickers@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "PTRAVEL" <ptravel88-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote :
>
> > Yes, you are.  You ascribe common, negative
> > characteristics to a heterogeneous group solely
> > on the basis of their identification with that group.
>
> Those Jews who defend bent Jewish solicitors Clifford Cohen & Foster -
> GLP solicitors - The Clifford Pfeffer Group do that themselves.  Since
> they say it about themselves, nothing from me would make any difference.

I haven't heard anyone, Jewish or otherwise, either defend or criticize
these solicitors.  I have heard only you attacking them, and attacking Jews
as a group.

>
> Unless a Jew - just one - would like to distance themselves from the
> unsavoury activities of bent Jewish solicitors Clifford Cohen & Foster -
> GLP solicitors - The Clifford Pfeffer Group?

Why should a Jew do this?  To prove something to you, who condemn all Jews
for what you perceive was done to you by some solicitors who happen to be
Jewish?

>
> > It's not worth anything.   You may have memorized Schindler's
> > List but you've learned nothing from the exercise.
>
> I don't know there is much to learn,

This does not surprise me.

> but it's not the sort of thing an
> anti-Semite would do.  I did not do it deliberately, just watched the
> video a lot.

What do you think Shindler learned from his experiences as presented in the
film?  That, perhaps, would be a place for you to start.

>
> >> I do - http://www.church.broomleigh.org/
> >
> > I'm not interested in chasing down websites.  I'm
> > going based on what you've written _here_ in this thread.
>
> That says you will not admit being wrong.

As a matter of fact, I took a look at your website.  I reviewed some of the
correspondence and read most of the hearing transcript from January 2004.
What I saw appeared to be a number of people trying to help you, and an
absolute refusal on your part to be helped.  I can tell you this -- no US
judge would show the patience and sympathy evinced by the judge at January
hearing.

>
> > Don't come in here insulting lawyers and Jews as a
> > group and then expect to get help from either of them.
>
> I don't think I've insulted anyone.

Well, I'm not the only one who thinks otherwise, am I?

>  Describing Jewish solicitors
> Clifford Cohen & Foster - GLP solicitors - The Clifford Pfeffer Group as
> bent and unsavoury is an accurate reflection of reality, demonstrated to
> be so, on a web page, you say you will not examine.

I did examine it, at least in cursory fashion, and I do not agree with your
conclusions.  However, that is beside the point.  The Clifford Pfeffer Group
may or may not consist of good solicitors, and may or may not have handled
your case well.  The fact that one or more of them is Jewish has nothing to
do with anything, something that you do not appear to understand.  There is
nothing particularly "Jewish" about being a bad lawyer (or, for that matter,
a good one).  "Jew" is a religous and/or cultural identification, nothing
more nor less.  To ascribe negative characteristics to all individuals who
identify as Jewish based on your experience of one or two is stereotyping
and the act of a bigot.  Your ability to express yourself suggests that you
are not a stupid or uneducated man.  However, the content of your expression
suggests otherwise.

>
> http://www.tom-moore.com/exten2/docs/ccf/index.html
>
> >> This is about a human life.
> >
> > It's about your life, i.e. that of an
> > offensive, antisemitic cross-poster.
>
> You might; but I do not approve of murdering an offensive, anti Semitic
> cross-poster, or anyone else.

Nor do I.  However, I saw nothing on your website which suggests that anyone
wants to murder you.  Quite the contrary, as best as I can discern, all that
has happened is that your landlord has attempted to make repairs to your
flat, and some doctors have tried to assist with your apena problem.  You
have been combative, belligerent and rude to all, just as you have been
combative, belligerent and rude here.

>
> > There are many worthy causes out there.  Yours is,
> > to put it charitably, quite far down my list.
>
> Are you saying I have one?

I'm saying it concerns me not whether you have one or not.  Because I'm in
the US, there's nothing I could do, even if I was inclined to assist.
However, that doesn't matter as I would not be so inclined because, as I
said at the onset, you are an offensive, antisemitic cross-poster.  As a
rule, I confine my good works, such as they are, to those who don't exhibit
such unappealing qualities.

>
>
> --
> http://www.tom-moore.com
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