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Article #600Rael: pt.3/3 EVIDENCE OR COINCIDENCE?
From: nova3
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:00
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:00
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RAEL: - EVIDENCE OR COINCIDENCE?
<http://www.rael.org>
Albert Einstein is remembered for saying: "Great spirits have always
encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds". So, with that
in mind, examine the following points, and do your own research to check their
validity.
Intelligence, comes from the word "inter -lingere" or inter-connect. The
gathering of information and storing it in our brain, for which
university degrees are awarded, is no guarantee of intelligence. However, the
ability to interconnect different things to each other,
indicates intelligence. - I will try to layout a series of points in an
"intelligent " fashion:
PART 3 OF 3
(Part 1 of 3 was posted two weeks ago
Part 2 of 3 was posted one week ago, check <http://www.dejanews.com/>, search
for "Raelian" under author Nova)
Cont'd
Engineering, Scientific Advances and Religion
An article on 97.4.13. in The Record, Northern New Jersey, was written as
follows:
"British and Dutch scientists say they have succeeded in floating a frog in air
- using a magnetic field a million times stronger than that of the Earth. And,
they say, there is no reason why larger creatures, even humans, could not
perform the same gravity-defying feat. "It's
perfectly feasible if you have a large enough magnetic field," said Peter Main,
professor of physics at Nottingham University, one of the
British scientists who collaborated with colleagues at the University of
Nijmegen to create the first levitating amphibian."
With this piece of information
1. Which is more absurd, or shall we say indicative of a primitive belief
system of several thousand years ago:
a.) Jesus walked on water (and don' t question how - "divine power", - if you
believe anything else you shall be burnt as a heretic).
b.) Jesus walked on water (Elohim with 25,000 more advanced technology than
our present state of knowledge neutralized Jesus'
gravitational pull of the earth while walking on water)
2. Moses parted the Red Sea by:
a.) pointing his stick (God did it with divine magic)
b.) pointing his stick (Elohim helped him with advanced antigravity
technology).
Selection 1. b) and 2.b.) is what Rael maintains, which can be understood. From
the above article, regarding the "floating frog in air", we can understand that
such technology is currently being developed. What will we be able to do in
25000 years from now?
Advanced Biological Computers
Rael calls the human being, an "advanced self programmable biological
computer". Contrary to the plants and animals, which are
"preprogrammed biological computers" and cannot change their behaviour from
their basic program of 'eat, sleep, procreate', the human being can by choice,
reprogram totally, any time and change his/her behavior. - From our
observation and present scientific
understanding, what support is there to be found for Rael's assertions?
1. As the result of our recent scientific advancements in understanding DNA, a
new discipline called tissue engineering was created. We have been growing DNA
compatible skin for individuals with tissue engineering techniques for some
time. Now, however a successful technique is being developed in growing complex
organs such as liver. The growing of replacement limbs is also looking like a
strong possibility, in the next 15 years.
2. "Near Death Experiences"- Recent experiments with volunteers were conducted
in trying to understand the similar imagery described by people, who were
revived after a brief period of being "clinically dead". The same type of
imagery was induced in volunteers, when simulating the oxygen starvation of the
brain in a laboratory. It was concluded that this type of imagery is no more
than the result of the shutting down of brain, due to lack of oxygen.
3. Telepathic Communications - Experiments have shown that children under four
are more capable of telepathy, due to their openness toward other human beings.
After that age we gradually develop defenses due to lack of trust in other
human beings (a leant response) and block such communications. Few adults are
open enough to be capable of telepathy.
4. Reading people's thoughts from a distance - The process of thought occurs
via minute currents much like the functioning of a computer,
which uses higher currents. Every time there is a current, a small magnetic
field occurs which in case of computers has been successfully picked up, from a
distance of over 2 km via an antenna. The signal then can be processed and
displayed. In the case of the computer, the image on the monitor has been
successfully picked up from a 2 km distance and replicated. These type of
devices are on the market in USA. In Japan, Sony has been conducting research
for 7 years, into adapting this type of technology to reading people's
thoughts over large distances via satellite. - For Elohim to be able to read
everyone's thoughts and keep a record of it seems understandable with advanced
technology in this field.
5, With advancement in Genetics we now understand that each human cell contains
the complete blueprint of that human. With the cloning of a mammal ("Dolly")
the geneticists demonstrated this fact. What remains, is to transfer
'personality and memory'. We are transferring data from one disc to another on
computers every day. Research into what constitutes 'personality' is going on
at present.
6. Recently Dr. Martin Lutnek, chief geneticist for Genesis Labs Inc. (a
biotech firm) was the guest on "Larry Bennet Live". You can find
the details of that conversation at
<http://home.att.net/~p-jck/1dollar/c01.htm>.
The topic of discussion was whether we should clone human beings and how it
would be done. Dr. Lutnek's response was: "Yes we should..., besides it's been
done before, we are all here because of the ancient cloning experiment". He
then proceeded by stating that it is contained in the Bible. Dr. Lutnek began
with his reading of Gen. 2:22 " the rib, which Lord God took from the man, made
he a woman, and brought her unto the man". He explained that the description in
the Bible "... is a very precise procedure for making a cross gender clone".
Dr. Lutnek then states that the "rib" is actually referring to one of the 23
pairs of homologous chromosome pairs contained in the human DNA, which
determines the sex. In a man this pair is labeled XY, while in a woman it is
labeled XX. "You see Larry", he continues "God takes the XY rib out of man (out
of man's one cell), takes hold of the X and casts away the Y. Then he makes a
copy of the X and slaps the two Xs back into the cell as a new logical
homologous unit, the XX rib, that defines the woman", the other 22 pairs of
homologous chromosomes remaining the same in both the man and the woman, i.e.
22XY (man) and 22XX (woman). The woman is complete in the part of the text
labeled 2:23. The "2" refers to the fact that chromosomes are in homologous
pairs, while "23" is the completed set of the required 23 homologous pairs of
chromosomes in the human cell, here 22XX (=23) for a woman.
Dr. Lutnek continues in this way stating that someone who knew genetics and
cellular biology must have arranged the Biblical sayings.
When asked if it could have been a "coincidence", he said the following: " The
Bible has 31,102 sayings in 1,187 chapters of 66 books. The saying containing
'this is now' didn't have to be 2:23, it could have been just one off, say 2:24
even, and the connection would have been lost. You see? It's just too
convenient, too exact, to just be a fluke. The concepts just fit too well the
current scientific knowledge, the whole picture just fits too well." Further on
Dr. Lutnek states "for those who know the Bible well, the text reads like an
advanced Chemistry, Biochemistry and Alchemy text." - Gen. 1:26 'Let us make
man in our image, after our likeness' Dr. Lutnek continues "If you and I clone
ourselves, we are making man in our image after our likeness, ... Notice the
Bible says let 'us' make man. The us is plural indicating more than one God is
making the decision here. ...So, it looks like we have made a complete circle
and have come back to the point where we've been before. Man making man,
remaking his image, after his own likeness, once the technical know-how has
been regained "
The interview continues in this manner, with Dr. Lutnek showing section upon
section in the Bible that they contain a lot of scientific
information. He adopts an insightful understanding of the Bible, the same as
given by Elohim to humanity via Rael.
Ancient Texts
Rael points to ancient texts from all religions, which confirm his story of
Elohim (Bibl. Hebrew, plural of the word Eloha) meaning 'those who came from
the sky', an advanced civilization, who with mastery of DNA created everything
living on Earth including the human being.
The singular form of Elohim is the word Eloha and became Allah to Muslims,
a way of greeting each other as Aloha in Hawaii, and so
on.
The word "God" in the Bible was wrongly translated from the original
biblical Hebrew text and its equivalent word "Elohim". Elohim is plural and
means "those who came from the sky". Using the original text the Torah, from
which our Bible was translated we find the word "Elohim" used 2570 times. We
also find the word "Elohim" translated as "God", "Spirit of God", "sons of
god", "distinguished men", "angel", "angels", "Winds of God", etc., just to
name a few.
a) accidental error?
b) deliberate distortion, to create a different meaning?
There was a recent archaeological discovery of some writing by an Egyptian
"Royal Architect", who enumerated his ancestry in stone,
showing that he was the descendent of 25 generations of royal architects. He
also showed which predecessor served under what
Egyptian King. in Archaeological circles this caused a reassessment and
adjustment of our accepted chronology of Egyptian Kings by
about 300 years. Only now are our archaeological excavations confirming with a
much greater accuracy the stories of the Bible, including the building of the
'Second Temple for Yahweh', built by the Jewish king Solomon.
ANET, "Ancient Near Eastern Texts" compiled and edited in the 1950's by the
late Dr. Pritchard is commonly used in abridged form as a textbook for
undergraduate history and archeology courses at most Western universities.
Controversies Related To Raelian Religion
Rael wrote a complete book entitled "Geniocracy", which is an advanced, more
enlightened form of "Democracy" used as a form of
government on the planet of Elohim, which has worked well for them, maximizing
individual happiness and eliminating wars for more than 25000 years. Some
critics chose to interpret "Geniocracy", as a form of "Dictatorship,
Totalitarian Regime, Benevolent Monarchy or a type of Celestially Governed
Theocracy". This is a complete misunderstanding of the subject. - Geniocracy,
we may adopt or forget about, as we choose. The only request Elohim make of
people on earth is to start being nice to each other and stop killing each
other. If we choose to not obey that request, Elohim will simply stay away from
us, respecting our freedom to choose.
Raelian Religion Often Provokes Strong Reaction for Two Reasons:
A) Science to Serve Humanity:
Rael says that science should be at the service of humanity and not for
humanity to be at the service of power.
Why do we continue to build the internal combustion engines for the sake of
monetary exploitation of fossil fuels of the few, while at the same time
polluting humanity out of existence. The carbon dioxide emissions by just one
sports utility vehicle, requires 3600 trees to convert back to oxygen. There
are plenty of other toxic pollutants in such emissions (NO, CO, Pb, etc.),
which simply keep degrading our environment. Then there is also our toxic
industrial wastes and radioactive byproducts from nuclear power plants, all of
which are putting us on a one way street to disaster. The oxygen portion in air
which was once close 50% is now about 14% and dropping. Is it any wonder that
anaerobic cells (cancer) are thriving and everyone is developing allergies
(immunity going down)?
Our present decision makers and leaders said yes to the continuation of this
100 year old technology in Kyoto, Japan. Is that the best we can do, or do we
have the wrong decision makers and leaders at the top, due to our political
systems? Is "Power" or "Big Money", as Dr. Noam Chomsky would say, making the
most important decisions for humanity, while all of us, including our
government leaders, are simply the servants thereof?
It appears that "Big Money" has a very short horizon and little long term
intelligence. How will anyone really be well served, including
"Big Money" interests, if we destroy the ecology of our planet? 50% of our
young children are struggling with breathing problems; is it
not time to put the science at the service of humanity?
It has been just over 50 years since mankind developed scientific atomic
energy understanding. We had many "close calls" of annihilation; one as
recently as 1995 (after the "cold war"), where Yeltsin had his suitcase open
and almost pushed the nuclear "button". This would have been the end of
humanity. It does not take a lot of thought to understand that with our present
political systems around the world, along with the destructive power of earth's
present arsenals, we have been lucky to have survived 50 years. What are our
chances, for humanity to live for 25000 years beyond today, without addressing
our present political systems? If our decisions are made by "Big Money"
interests, as a lot of people think, what good will money be if there is no
more humanity?
B) Societal Values - Human Rights and Individual Happiness:
Rael says that we need to address the happiness of each individual and we can
begin by realizing that no one human being can own
another. We have reached the level of technology, says Rael, where one unhappy
individual can cause the annihilation of the entire
humanity on earth.
We are all familiar with stories of computer hackers having invaded the
Pentagon computers. With internet, we truly have reached the technology where
one unhappy person, anywhere in the world, can sit behind a computer, and if he
knows what to do, can start a nuclear war and annihilate humanity on the whole
globe.
The Raelian Values are as follows:
an awareness of the consequences of our actions
absolute respect for life
self-respect
love for oneself
respect for others
non-violence
democracy
world peace
and sharing
Rael also points out that there is a complete spectrum of genetic codes when
it comes to happiness in sexual matters in animals as well as human beings.
Some enjoy making love 20 times per day, some once per year, some with multiple
partners and others yet with same sex partners. All of this, is part of the
genetic code diversity of the individuals and should be respected. As long as
there is absolute respect for other human beings, these matters should be left
to the free choice of each individual, so that individuals may maximize their
harmony with their surroundings. We need to rejoice and celebrate the diversity
of individual genetics. It would be very dull and monotonous if we were all the
same.
In the last ten years, science has shown that homosexuality is genetic and
not environmental. There are clear differences, in the structure of the brain,
and yet a large part of the heterosexual population discriminates against
homosexuals. Why?
Let us examine our present society and how it functions. What is our present
understanding of "good" and "bad" ?
If you make love to someone, because you both feel a strong attraction to each
other, and you both enhance each other's harmony (feeling of peace, happiness,
contentment, etc.), then it is
1."Good" provided you
a) signed a marriage license (legally known as ownership papers) first;
b) have exchanged rings first
c) have been pronounced "man and wife" by proper authority
d) if you are not using contraception (if you are Catholic)
e) if you have been circumcised (for men if you are Jewish, for women for some
African communities)
f) if you have never raised your veil for any man before (for some Muslims,
etc.)
g) etc, etc, etc.
2. "Bad" if any of a) through g) are missing, depending on what part of the
world programmed you to think.
Does this sound familiar???
Some people would like to suggest that Raelian Religion threatens family life
and marriage itself. The answer to that point reminds me of a funny
definition: "Marriage is the institution where everybody on the inside, is
knocking on the door to get out, while everybody on the outside is knocking on
the door to get in". The statistics show that more than 50% of marriage end in
divorce and in 80% of the marriages extramarital affairs take place. So, are we
being hypocritical, by forcing the concept of "one on one for life" on everyone
in our society?
People simply chose to behave differently anyway, and become frustrated, and
unhappy with the rules? Is it not time to have the rules allow the people to
freely chose on how to achieve the highest level of happiness and harmony for
themselves, and take societal judgments out of the equation? Would we not
reduce the sexual related crimes, by doing so?
Real suggests that we adopt the following, to just name a few points:
1. All forms of violence are to be condemned. "The threat of violence is to be
condemned as severely as the act of violence itself", because
such action suggests that it is acceptable to reach one's goals via violence.
2. Maximum respect should be given to every human being, in all our dealings
and to everything alive.
3. All human beings should be provided the basics, such as sufficient food,
shelter and kind treatment.
4. No human being should or can own another.
5. We were created to have fun, enjoy life, as well as each other. Pleasure is
good. Physical love awakens our bodies which in turn
awakens our mind and harmonizes us with our surroundings.
6. We should only adopt positives (love, happiness, respect, honesty, etc.) and
reject negatives (hatred, jealousy, disrespect, lies, etc.).
Some people like to label Real as "Anti Christ" (see "The Watcher"), a common
understanding of this term would be "criminal to
humanity". Let us examine our presently accepted standards in comparison to the
above:
!. Violence is not acceptable, unless you have the more sophisticated weaponry
to make "surgical strikes" and thus impose your will.
2. Human beings without resources are "non-beings" and respect does not apply
to such "non-beings".
3. Number ONE priority in foreign policy (see Kissinger's recently declassified
document) for the Western world should be to reduce the world's population
(wars, killing, manipulation
to create wars, manufacturing and sale of weapons, etc.) and thus reduce the
demand of such "non-beings" on the world's resources.
4. If you have money, you can buy people, slaves, sex partners and own them as
well.
5. We were born to do our duty, serve our country (kill the "enemy" when called
upon and dressed in a uniform) with honour (for
"crosses of bravery" etc). Pleasure is for children and "Sissies" (gutless
humans). Sex is only acceptable for procreation and best never talked about the
rest of the time.
6. Love is for women and cry-babies. Hatred is fine if you are hating the
enemy, as portrayed by your local media.
Do these last six points not sound familiar and for the thinkers of this
world are these last six points not more "criminal to humanity"
There were postings under the subject "Raelian Fascism" in connection with
Raelian Religion. Why this strong derogative term?
"Fascism", is this by design or ignorance of the definition of this term? -
Webster Dictionary defines "fascism" as "any political or social ideology of
the extreme right which relies on a combination of pseudo-religious attitudes
and the brutal use of force for getting and
keeping power" From just one of the Raelian values mentioned above under "B)"
above, - this is like saying that "Mother Teresa" and
"Hitler" behaved the same.
Some authors of articles written about the Raelian Religion chose to use the
term "cult" or "sect" to describe it. This could not be further
from the truth, because the Raelian Church is the extension of all major
religions (Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.) of this
earth, and all holy scriptures (Bible, the Torah, the Coran, the Popol vuh,
etc.) are great reference books for the story of Elohim, and their
teachings. Such references are only acceptable if you are willing to use the
same terminology for Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism,
and so on.
The description "sex cult" combines two of the derogatory references and can
also be found in some articles. Why not combine the three
terms "fascist sex cult" that way everything people detest is included? - The
simple fact remains that this type of name-calling is nothing but "noise" or
manipulative propaganda by conscienceless authors more interested in
sensationalism and self-promotion than the truth.
The facts are that the Raelian Religion joins in helping anywhere, anytime
human rights are violated, to help other fellow humans. The
Raelian Religion does not discriminate against fellow humans, on the basis of
membership or affiliation in whatever organization, where
support for human rights is needed. That includes everybody. Maybe you would
like to join the protest against stoning of people to death
in Iran.
Raelian Religion Has Two Goals
The "Raison d'Etre" of the Raelian Religion:
1. To spread Elohim's message and thus create peace on earth and harmony for
humanity (no more hate, racism, killing, etc.).
2. To get people from earth to build the embassy for Elohim, so they can
officially visit our planet.
Can we count on your help for these two goals, everything else is optional,
where you are expected to listen to your conscience first and foremost, and act
accordingly. We are all interested in seeing what happens once the embassy is
built. How about it?
Please visit the official Raelian Religion's website at
<http://www.rael.org/>
and not some third party's opinionated distortion and also pick up the books
written by Rael, especially the one entitled "The Final
Message".
CONCLUSION:
Rael wrote down "The Final Message" in 1973 and also said that science will
keep confirming him right as we advance our understanding.
That is exactly what has been happening, and is now happening at an
accelerating pace. Rael is taking great risks to his personal
well-being, living a modest life, in order to help humanity. He sustains
himself from the royalties of the book sales, he has written.
Everyone in the Raelian Religion, including Rael is volunteering his/her time
and efforts. All financial contributions are used for a)
expenses incurred during spreading of Elohim's Message, and b) the building
fund for the Embassy.
In the remote possibility that all of the above are coincidences and not
evidence, and that Rael's wisdom and insights have nothing to do
with Elohim, is the "side-effect" of building the Embassy, that of achieving
world peace and harmony among all humanity, not worthy of all of us supporting
Rael?
Regards,
Nova
<http://www.rael.org/>
P.S.: I must thank Mr. Josh Olaf, 'President of Raelian Movement Resistance',
Mr. Blue Resonant Human, and Mr. Tallyman, for their tireless attacks on the
Raelian Religion. If it wasn't for their ridiculous distortions and attacks, I
would not have found the time and energy to write the above article. I hope you
found it interesting and informative.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 110d3e,a3ec66d25445df1f,start X-Google-Attributes: gid110d3e,public X-Google-Thread: 100202,5544485b4f0b065b X-Google-Attributes: gid100202,public X-Google-Thread: 10ea7c,a3ec66d25445df1f,start X-Google-Attributes: gid10ea7c,public X-Google-Thread: f9c3a,a3ec66d25445df1f,start X-Google-Attributes: gidf9c3a,public X-Google-Thread: 10008c,a3ec66d25445df1f,start X-Google-Attributes: gid10008c,public From: nova3 <nova3@home.com> Subject: Rael: pt.3/3 EVIDENCE OR COINCIDENCE? Date: 1998/07/04 Message-ID: <359DF7C8.96E9E6CD@home.com> X-Deja-AN: 368657626 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <358bde6a.11165323@news.supernews.com> <3589d2e3.10106239@news.ihug.co.nz> <35919afb.7018137@news.supernews.com> <358d1d08.8767967@news.ihug.co.nz> <359a40e2.8111440@newshost.li.net> <358fbb5d.20145549@news.ihug.co.nz> <6mprvt$rrt@news1.ee.net> <35a1dad8.5986237@newshost.li.net> <35932922.C7F8A53E@sk.sympatico.ca> <359874d6.17549846@news.supernews.com> <3593CDA0.2A34F773@sk.sympatico.ca> <6n3cc9$clq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <35954D63.858FF00A@sk.sympatico.ca> <6n437j$fp6$1@news-1.news.gte.net> <359752C3.9C110721@sk.sympatico.ca> <359c326a.0@139.134.5.33> MIME-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 06:34:31 PDT Reply-To: nova3@home.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Organization: @Home Network Canada Newsgroups: talk.atheism,israel.join-talk,israel.moshiach,talk.philosophy.humanism,talk.philosophy.misc