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Article #1152Re: Bashford says: Ozone confuses me.
From: Kym Horsell
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:00
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:00
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In article <5dgb4i$sj$1@coffee.DIALix.COM>, Greig Ebeling <eggsoft@sydney.dialix.oz.au> wrote: >Jonathan Shanklin <j.shanklin@bas.ac.uk> wrote: > >>I can vouch from personal experience the link between low ozone values >>and increased uv having just returned from the Antarctic. When I left >>the UK in early November data was suggesting that the ozone hole was >>nearly over. Whilst carrying out cargo work at Port Lochroy on a day >>with much cirrostratus and thin altostratus most of the ship's company >>suffered sun-burn to a greater or lesser extent, even those wearing >>blocking cream. A subsequent radiosonde flight revealed low >>stratospheric temperatures suggesting that the ozone hole had returned >>and on my return to the UK inspection of satellite imagery showed that >>the ozone hole was over the area at the time. > >This is contrary to my own experience. Whilst visiting Cradle >Mountain in Tasmania during January, I experienced an unusually clear >day, just some cirrus clouds. On that day, Tassie papers were >reporting extreme UV, and on returning to Sydney, I checked the latest >satellite imagery, which showed that the breaking up of the ozone hole >was forcing ozone poor air north over Tasmania. Note what argument is actually going on here. One person is involved in proving "it is possible that X because I saw X". The other is (as usual) trying to prove "it is not possible that X because I didn't see X" (note, please don't confuse with "it is possible that Not x because I saw Not x" that is actually valid). For many years it amazed me that people would invert if's, try to prove impossibility based (as in this case) on a single example (not that more will do ;-), etc. But now Science (doffing cap) is littered with them. -- R. Kym Horsell KHorsell@EE.Latrobe.EDU.AU kym@CS.Binghamton.EDU http://WWW.EE.LaTrobe.EDU.AU/~khorsell http://CS.Binghamton.EDU/~kym
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fb58e,a7a84d47f994444 X-Google-Attributes: gidfb58e,public X-Google-Thread: fdaee,a7a84d47f994444 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdaee,public X-Google-Thread: 10607c,a7a84d47f994444 X-Google-Attributes: gid10607c,public X-Google-Thread: 10c480,a7a84d47f994444 X-Google-Attributes: gid10c480,public X-Google-Thread: 10df0c,a7a84d47f994444 X-Google-Attributes: gid10df0c,public From: khorsell@ee.latrobe.edu.au (Kym Horsell) Subject: Re: Bashford says: Ozone confuses me. Date: 1997/02/14 Message-ID: <5e0qa9$4ep@laplace.ee.latrobe.edu.au> X-Deja-AN: 218679377 References: <5cr1ob$1rl$1@coffee.DIALix.COM> <5d4efo$72t$1@coffee.DIALix.COM> <32F9EA98.41C6@bas.ac.uk> <5dgb4i$sj$1@coffee.DIALix.COM> Organization: School of Electronic Engineering, La Trobe University Newsgroups: talk.environment,sci.environment,aus.politics,aus.environment.conservation,aus.environment.misc