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Article #1190Re: Immigration the taboo topic: Sierra Club vs. Wilderness Society.
From: arminius
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:30
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 14:30
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<bentbirkenstock@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1152425326.082670.55320@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > Please note the remarkable changes in membership between the two > environmental groups sited in this piece. The Sierra Club and the > Wilderness Society chose separate paths on the taboo topic of the 21st > century amongst environmentalists and 'leftists' Re:world mass > immigration policies, and you might be surprised of the outcome. > *** > > http://www.susps.org/ibq1998/faq.html > > (excerpt) > Why should Sierra Club have to take the lead on dealing with > immigration? > > > The Sierra Club has taken the lead on population issues for over 30 > years, and actively on mass immigration since 1978. The Wilderness > Society took a strong environmental position including mass immigration > as component of population growth three years ago, at the same time > that the Sierra Club issued its surprising reversal of long-standing > club policy. > > > Isn't this issue an internal Club matter - not relevant to non-members > and most members? > The Population Ballot Question is not simply an "internal Club matter". > The outcome of the vote will likely have very significant ramifications > for the future relationship between the U.S. environmental movement and > the question of U.S. population stabilization. Anyone, member or > otherwise, who would like to end the environmental community's nearly > invisible presence on this issue should be willing to support the > Petitioners' Ballot Question. > > > Why should Sierra Club focus on U.S. immigration, when population is a > global problem? > > > Population is both a global problem and a national problem for the U.S. > and many other countries. We must "think globally and act locally" on > the issue of population growth within our borders. Each nation has not > only the right, but the responsibility to implement policies on > population, and to work towards its own sustainability. > > To make an analogy, think about the global pothole problem - it > manifests itself in every country. Yet it is clear that the best way to > deal with the problem is not at the U.N., but rather at lowest level of > government that has appropriate jurisdiction over the problem. > "Population policy must be a policy for a nation, not for the whole > world, because there is no world sovereignty to back up a global > policy. We can, and should, seek to persuade other nations to take > steps to control their population growth; but our primary focus should > be on the population growth within our own borders." > -- Garret Hardin, Living within Limits, 1993 > > > Won't the Sierra Club lose members on this issue? > > > On virtually the same day in February 1996, leaders of the Sierra Club > and The Wilderness Society chose to take opposite paths concerning U.S. > population growth. > Since 1995, membership in the Wilderness Society increased by 9%. Since > 1995, Sierra Club membership decreased by 11%. In other words, The > Wilderness Society took the sound environmental position and its > membership increased. This is not necessarily a causal relationship, > however assertion that passage of the initiative will result in net > loss of members is clearly unwarranted. > > > Shouldn't the Sierra Club focus on what it does best - on preserving > wild lands, forests, and clean air? > > > Any cause is a lost cause without population stabilization, both within > the US, and world-wide. Environmental gains which we have fought so > hard to win will be threatened, and many will be lost as demands from > doubling U.S. population mount. Pressure will increase to drill for oil > in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and to mine coal in the new > Grand Staircase - Escalante National Monument. Likewise, the demand for > timber will increase along with sprawl and resultant air pollution. To > preserve wilderness, wild rivers, forests, species, and ecosystems, > Sierra Club policy has long called for stabilizing population "first of > the United States and then of the world." (1970). > > > Wouldn't the Sierra Club lose political allies? > > > White, Black, Asian, and Latino Democratic voting records in Congress > are within 4% of each other on environmental issues, according to 1996 > League of Conservation Voters ratings. Thus there is no basis for the > assertion of a race-based track record in Congress showing that Latinos > have a better environmental record. > > > Won't a major campaign on immigration be too expensive for the Club? > > > The Petitioner's Ballot Question simply called for reinstatement of > traditional Sierra Club population policy, which addresses role mass > immigration plays in U.S. population growth. There would be no campaign > or expenditure associated with this other than that normally associated > with Club population committees and efforts. > > > Shouldn't we help to forge strong alliances based upon mutual respect > to solve our environmental problems? > > > Most certainly, but voting for the official Board of Directors position > is not the answer. That position dismisses the fact that mass > immigration as it contributes to population growth is an environmental > problem -- a problem caused only by overall numbers, and one which > affects every American, their children, and their environment. > > > Why don't Sierra Club leaders have the fortitude to face this pressing > issue? > > > Some do, some are uneducated on the importance of the > population-environment connection, and others prioritize Social Justice > issues above environmental issues. > My 22 year membership was ended 5 years ago because of the Sierra Club's failure on immigration. Hank
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