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Article #1264Re: Bush Opens Roadless Tongass National Forest to Logging
From: y_p_w
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:47
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:47
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On Jan 30, 11:34 am, SMITH29 <smit...@comcast.net> wrote: > y_p_w wrote: > > On Jan 28, 6:47 am, "Jon" <jonm...@none.non> wrote: > >> "SMITH29" <smit...@comcast.net> wrote > > >>>> On Jan 27, 1:51 am, jazzerci...@hotmail.com (-) wrote: > >>>>> Bush Opens Roadless Tongass National Forest to Logging > >>> We eventually lose unmanaged forest land to uncontrollable fires. > >> Fire can be a non-artificial part of the ecosystem. Artificial fire > >> suppression can lead to significant build up of fuel load which > >> may make eventual fires less natural in their effect. > > > I heard it's the underbrush accumulation from years of fire > > suppression that can lead to uncontrollable fires in the future. I > > was in Yosemite Valley last summer when they were doing a controlled > > burn to remove some of that vegetation without clearing trees. The > > trees were certainly scarred by fire, but their nature is to survive > > small fires. > > >http://nature.nps.gov/firemanagement/index.cfm > > xxxx > The ash from fire is a soil nutrient so control burning is a good thing. > A forest fire burns tree top to tree top as flame balls jump ahead of > the rest of the burn and the trees explode from the intense heat. > Ground burning won't help that kind of fire which likely as not was a > lightning strike of 100,000 amp or more which can literally split a tree > open and set it ablaze in a few seconds. Not with the coast redwood or giant sequoia. Or at least not typically. I've seen a few that were burned down to a short 20-30 ft stack. Most typically looked like this one (Redwood Mountain Grove - Kings Canyon National Park), where you can see where lightning tunneled through the bark from the top and exited near the bottom. http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img5154ai6.jpg
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