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Article #1271Re: Bush Opens Roadless Tongass National Forest to Logging
From: maguahiker
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:09
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:09
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> xxxx > So you would be happy without wood products ? > > > Unfortunately now that we are in the picture. It is far more difficult > > to justify allowing her to run her coarse. Essentially it is a > > Catch-22. No one will win. > > xxxx > Our forest programs have been working as well as our game management > programs. > Visit a forest and a game farm and see for yourself. > The one think you don't mention is nature is chaos and we instill some > order to our natural resources. > > 29 > > I think I was making a generalized statement and not attacking any particular post here so don't take it personally. Nature isn't chaos...it is nature. Natural. Forest fires do things management cannot...many tree diseases have been controlled through naturally occuring forest fires. They provide a entirely different humus and base for items to grow that cannot be found otherwise. It provides ideal heating and condtions to allow for various seedlings and spores to begin growth. This cannot me done with management entirely. There are things that occur in nature that we cannot no matter how hard we try scientifically, we cannot make them occur to the large extent needed for forests to actually survive. I have been to many a management farm, lake, etc..I see the good work they provide. I simply don't think they can do it all and they sure aren't properly funded to do what they fully need to try and do. Man has always used wood products and always will. But it was a matter of using what you need and not to excess. It is simply how efficient they use them. If we would do it by industry standards...hell they would clear cut from shore to shore without using any sense of ethics or rationale. I understand the concept of management and very much am interested in the science of expanding the possibilities of restoring what little order and allowing some control for environmental concerns. I am simply stating that trees and nature were here far before we were and we can't expect to even for a moment believe that we will instill some order to nature. We don't control it. We live with it. there is a difference that a ton in the industry don't realize. like I said. It is a catch-22. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. No one is winning this game. I just look at past examples like Chernobyl area...man devistated it and although it is highly damaged from the incident...if you look at reports now...nature has gradually reclaimed the land, the buildings, the area...animals return...etc.
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