Re: According to MSN....

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From: Dave
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:31

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> "Jack May" <jack.may@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Pq-dnYqDW9MuhMLeRVn-tg@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> > Because of that some people think we should screw up traffic as bad as
> > possible in other cities to get people to transit.   That of course makes
> no
> > sense at all because the goal is to improve transportation not get people
> > into transit.
>
> You see conspiracies where there are none.  Traffic is going to screw up all
> by itself.  To fix it, you have a choice between spending money on
> transit, -- or spending five times as much on roads, parking and
> auto-related infrastructure - and destroying the very commercial and
> residential areas you seek to serve in the process.

Liar.  I've heard a number of "smart growth" advocates talk about how
we have to make the car so inconvenient that people are 'forced' to use
mass transit.  They discuss ideas like taking away GP lanes and making
them bus only, adding congestion tolls so that mass transit by
comparison seems cheaper, etc.

Plus have you ever thought about where all that rail track is supposed
to go?  Double and triple tracking rail takes away homes and businesses
too And you still need the infrastructure and parking in most areas,
since transit isn't door to door.

It's a lot easier to support something with a catchy name like 'smart
growth' than it is to think things through.  Transit has the same
problem as roads, it's just much less useful.

Dave

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From: "Dave" <davidphogan@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: According to MSN....
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