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Joseph Zorzin wrote:
> 
> Mark Shippey wrote:
> 
> >   Oh come on........
> >   This is funny as hell. For decades now, the radical fringe of the
> > environmental movment has literally demonized various companies and
> > individuals...... to the point where nuts like Earth First! promotes
> > actual assualts against the property of these companies and
> > individuals with books such as EcoDefense.
> 
> Yes, Earth First is the radical fringe of the environmental movement.
> But you have demonized the entire enviromental movement with your
> "environut" terminology. But without those commy environuts, the air and
> water and food of this nation would be much filthier. And the filth came
> from those glorious flag waving companies that you love so much, who you
> feel shouldn't be demonized for poisoning us. The same companies who
> will move to Mexico at the drop of a hat and have you and millions of
> others in the unemployment lines. And when their oversees assests are
> endangered by some commies, they'll draft your sons and daughters to
> protect those assetts which shouldn't be oversees in the first place.
> But you won't mind sacrificing your children.

The discussion is on Headwaters, the rights of private ownership, and
wacko attacks and propaganda by the left wing eco-freaks.  No one has
smeared the entire environmental movement, just responded to the pure
propagada being generated prior to the Hurwitz's grand jury hearing here
in Texas.

Some of us volunteered.
> 
> Like the tobacco companies who said tobacco is not a health hazzard. And
> the auto companies who said it's impossible to produce a car that won't
> pollute the air, until the Japanese showed how to do it. And those pulp
> and paper companies that have destroyed countless rivers in America. And
> our wonderful Pentagon that has severely polluted the land around many
> of it's bases with vast amounts of toxic waste. And near where I live,
> in Pittsfield Mass., General Electric not only severely polluted the
> local river, but half the ground under the city is severely polluted
> with PCB's, especially under some playgrounds and schools. And when
> "environuts" bitched about this for years, GE said that was nonsense.
> But now it comes out that it's true and the GE high officials have know
> about this for decades.

Did the local environuts spike the lines for GE, ruin equipment, attempt
to destroy jobs of the employees?  No. They were responsible
protestors.  Slowly, we can change the way things are, if we start to
demonize and propagandize every action, then we help no one, even our
selves.
> 
> So, I don't justify Earth First spiking trees if it will hurt someone,
> but we need some people on the fringes to get attention, because the
> less aggressive environmentalists have been FUCKING IGNORED FOR DECADES
> BY THE DICKHEADS THAT RUN AMERICA AND OUR CAPITALIST SYSTEM. CAN'T YOU
> GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL?

Oh?  The EPA goes quietly about their business being abused by every
side.  One side says to weak, the other says overkill.  The way it is. 
But I agree.  We do need the fringes, to allow the middle to see how
extream some views are, and gravitate towards the other edge.  But I
will oppose the D.Braun's that would demonize for the sake of of
demonizing.  Headwaters is private, let the law work its course.  We
have made clear steps in the past few decades by the quite workers. 
Rachael Carlson comes to mind.  Sand County Almanac.  The media bringing
us live combat footage, the Watts riots, Kent State, Waco, and the most
recent killing on the border.  Quite steps that change what we are.

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