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Article #1705Re: Headwaters Forest Video Available
From: Joseph Zorzin
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:00
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:00
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eden.wildy wrote: > Unfortunately, the reason why this has happened is largely due to the so- > called "less aggressive environmentalists" talking in platitudes and > presenting little to no hard evidence. Then in frustration the fringe > element go a little bit nuts and...... > The lesson is that environmentalists must gather presentable data/proof and > then must gain public support for their protests against practices which are > detrimental to the environment. Then, and this is the hard bit for most " > environmentalists", they must present alternatives. Alternatives with less > environmental impact, but still economically viable. The proof and > alternatives have to be explained and reasoned - not preached and dogmatic. > This way the green movement may be seen to be beneficial, and not a bunch of > zealots running amok with crazy and impractical visions. > Unfortunately, most environmentalists are people of modest means and little power so it's difficult for them to get the facts. In the case of General Electric polluting the environemnt in Massachusetts, GE vigorously denied that this was the case, they claimed they had properly disposed of their waste PCB's, when in fact they had burried the stuff all over the city of Pittsfield. The state and federal agencies hadn't bothered to find out the facts and those agencies with their high paid bureacuracts had the legal and financial tools to do. But the facts kept comming out as some worker would mention how he remember trucking some of that poison to a landfill; then GE would deny this. Then the cancer rates went up and the enviros said this must be due to the PCB's, and GE denied it. But recently the facts came out that GE knew all along that they had burried thousands of tons of this poison under the city. The top execs knew this! How the hell were the enviros to get the facts? The enviros tend to be poor college students, humble bird watchers and butterly collectors. When the rich corporation denies the truth and the bureaucrats don't do their job? Perhaps if our government enviro agencies actually protected us from the poisoners, the land rapers- the "environuts" would have no "raison d'etre". If it weren't for the enviro movement's aggressive efforts there would be no air and water protection laws on the books; because corporate America never wanted these laws. Would you like to go back to the days of filthy water and air? Of course we still have filthy water and air in America, but it would have been worse.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fe1ad,da064c30a95a6be5 X-Google-Attributes: gidfe1ad,public X-Google-Thread: fb58e,da064c30a95a6be5 X-Google-Attributes: gidfb58e,public X-Google-Thread: 106b31,da064c30a95a6be5 X-Google-Attributes: gid106b31,public X-Google-Thread: 10607c,da064c30a95a6be5 X-Google-Attributes: gid10607c,public X-Google-Thread: 10e01e,da064c30a95a6be5 X-Google-Attributes: gid10e01e,public From: Joseph Zorzin <redoak@forestmeister.com> Subject: Re: Headwaters Forest Video Available Date: 1997/09/10 Message-ID: <34168E6D.58D@forestmeister.com> X-Deja-AN: 271267348 References: <3403C0C2.4C96@luckymojo.com> <34049235.7708394@snews.zippo.com> <5ukhit$s95@fnord.dfw.net> <340FC4AD.1E6C@luckymojo.com> <34107F6B.1658@livingston.net> <Pine.A41.3.96a.970905160237.23558A-100000@dante06.u.washington.edu> <34115F85.1F9C@living <wildye.64.34168346@zoology.unp.ac.za> Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Newsgroups: talk.environment,alt.org.sierra-club,sci.environment,misc.industry.pulp-and-paper,bionet.agroforestry