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Jym Dyer <jym@remarque.berkeley.edu> wrote:
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>=o= Well, for starters, Prop 187 does absolutely nothing to stop
>"uncontrolled immigration into California." 

Taking away some of the financial incentives to come here illegally
would be a pretty good start. Locking illegals in a pen for 30 days
before sending them back would be a strong disincentive and a good 
next step. 

I especially liked the protests where Central American flags are 
waved while demanding U.S. taxpayer money for breaking U.S. laws.
It's like, totally you, dude. 

>Even if it did, to support it for ecological reasons would be to 
>avoid dealing with the root causes of the problem.

So, you think it's OK to compromise on the environment? Good, because
to regulate the extraction, agricultural, and manufacturing industries
is to avoid dealing with the root causes of the problem of feeding, 
clothing, and housing me.

What I think is hilarious is Californians puttin' around in their
electric cars while the people they champion are spewing exhaust 
from 30 year-old Chevys. Somewhere there's a line that distinguishes
the compassionate from the chumps.  
 
>=o= The Sierra Club's opposition to Prop 187 joins their
>opposition to NAFTA as a refusal to avoid tackling the real
>problems.  They got this one right.

It's been said that SC members have a say, so as recent new member and 
Sayer, I say that just because SC has a predominately liberal membership
doesn't mean it should be championing non-environmental liberal causes. 
Doing so may marginalize the organization. The "X" generation is more 
conservative than their parents and there are many people interested in
environmental and backcountry issues who have no use for the politics 
of middle-aged hippie leftovers. Geezing hippies can't support SC forever.  

I've heard in this newgroup that SC's declining membership is due to
people feeling more environmentally secure with Clinton/Gore in office.
The next couple of years ought to show if that's true. 

>=o= Incidentally, I'm not afraid to state my opinion on this
>matter openly, without cowering behind an anonymous server:

That's real brave of you - too bad you didn't say anything. Are you
implying I use an anonymous server or are you feeling guilty about
something?

>If you voted for Prop 187, you are an idiot or a hypocrite.

Why?

>Support for Prop 187 is hypocritical brain-dead NIMBYism at
>its contemptible worst.

Please elaborate. What's NIMBYism? 

>    <_Jym_>

Mark Gahler