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Article #3810Re: When NASA Scientists Attack
From: mark
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:27
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:27
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On Jan 17, 1:20 am, Just A Guy <Jus...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> When NASA Scientists Attack
> Written by Tom Fitton
> Friday, 15 January 2010 20:56
>
> It has not been a good month for the global warming crowd.
>
> A few weeks ago, I told you about the "Climategate" scandal, where
> thousands of emails and documents, hacked from a prominent climate
> research center, painted global warming scientists in a most
> unfavorable light. The emails provided hard evidence that scientists
> pushing the global warming agenda conspired to squash the dissenting
> opinions of rival scientists, going so far as to try to exclude
> contrary views from important scientific publications.
>
> Well this week, Judicial Watch released its own set of emails and
> documents obtained from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies
> (GISS). And once again, global warming scientists do not come off
> well.
>
> This particular set of documents relates to a controversy that erupted
> in 2007 when Canadian blogger Stephen McIntyre exposed an error in
> NASA's handling of raw temperature data from 2000-2006 that
> exaggerated the reported rise in temperature readings in the United
> States. What happened when NASA corrected the error? The new data
> apparently caused a reshuffling of NASA's rankings for the hottest
> years on record in the United States, with 1934 replacing 1998 at the
> top of the list. (Kind of makes it harder to argue the planet is
> getting warmer when the hottest year on record in the US was 75 years
> ago.)
>
> These new documents, which our intrepid investigators obtained through
> the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), include internal Goddard
> Institute emails detailing attempts by NASA scientists to deal with
> the media firestorm resulting from the controversy. Of particular
> interest are emails involving GISS head James Hansen. In one exchange,
> for example, Hansen tells a reporter from Bloomberg that NASA had not
> previously published rankings with 1998 atop the list as the hottest
> year on record in the 20th century.
>
> Email from Demian McLean, Bloomberg to Jim Hansen, August 14, 2007:
> "The U.S. figures showed 1998 as the warmest year. Nevertheless, NASA
> has indeed newly ranked 1934 as the warmest year..."
>
> Email Response from James Hansen to Demian McLean, August 14, 2007:
> "...We have not changed ranking of warmest year in the U.S. As you
> will see in our 2001 paper we found 1934 slightly warmer, by an
> insignificant hair over, 1998. We still find that result. The flaw
> affected temperatures only after 2000, not 1998 and 1934."
>
> Email from NASA Scientist Makiko Sato to James Hansen, August 14,
> 2007: "I am sure I had 1998 warmer at least once on my own temperature
> web page..." (Email includes temperature chart dated January 1, 2007.)
>
> (This issue also crops up in email communications with New York Times
> reporter Andrew Revkin a little over a week later.)
>
> According to the NASA email, NASA's incorrect temperature readings
> resulted from a "flaw" in a computer program used to update annual
> temperature data.
>
> Hansen, clearly frustrated by the attention paid to the NASA error,
> called McIntyre a "pest" and suggested global warming doubters "should
> be ready to crawl under a rock by now." Hansen also suggests that
> those calling attention to the climate data error did not have a
> "light on upstairs."
>
> Many will debate whether the mishandling of the data was an honest
> mistake, or a purposeful attempt to exaggerate the global warming
> crisis. But in the least, these documents ought to be embarrassing for
> NASA, especially given the recent Climategate scandal. Needless to
> say, NASA has an obligation to be completely transparent with its
> handling of temperature data. And here's an idea: Instead of insulting
> those who point out mistakes, maybe NASA scientists should try to
> engage the public in an open, professional and honest manner. Just a
> thought.
Hi just a paid off guy for fossil fuel how about these links?
small taste of what I am talking about:
>Ocean Acidity:
No, change that, learn to use accurate titles and
sub-titles, there are no acid oceans.
>Acid Test: The Global Challenge of Ocean Acidification
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cqCvcX7buo
>"The world's marine ecosystems risk being severely damaged
>by ocean acidification unless there are dramatic cuts in
>CO2 emissions, warn scientists.
>More than 150 top marine researchers have voiced their
>concerns through the "Monaco Declaration", which warns
>that changes in acidity are accelerating. "
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7860350.stm
Wrong wording again, must be a news writer.
>NBC Nightly News Ocean Acidification 04 22 2009 191009
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIBTuJqPHIk
>Creeping deserts:
>Experts Urge Better Management And Information About Desert Spread
>The United Nations called Wednesday for better management and a
>wider spreading of scientific knowledge to fight the creeping spread
>of deserts across the world. At a conference
>in Tunis organised by the UN educational, scientific and cultural
>organisation UNESCO some 300 scientists adopted a resolution calling
>on govermments to make the issue a "major priority".
>http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Experts_Urge_Better_Management_And_...
Building reflecting roofs where there is any
moisture at all would enhance organics.
>Water, rare and precious in arid Mauritania
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsIZ6FYhQNA
>Relocation of crops due to climate change:
>Warmer climate moves tropical fruit cultivation northward
>http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2907946
Sounds good to me, can it get too warm for citrus
near bodies of water?
>US: Warming climate jeopardizes California Fruit and Nut Crops
>Many fruit and nut trees need chilly winters to emerge from their
>dormant period and begin to flower in spring, but global warming
>is already making California's climate too hot for these lucrative
>crops, according to new research from the University of California,
>Davis and the University of Washington.
>http://www.freshplaza.com/news_detail.asp?id=48109
Tree nuts are not a big food staple, you are
really stretching with this one.
>Glaciers:
>Photos Capture Melting Splendor of Alaska's Glaciers
>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6369091
>Week of 4.17.09
>On Thin Ice
>http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/516/index.html
>Retreat of the Tasman Glacier (NZ)
>http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/IPY/multimedia/ipyimg_20080128c.html
>Climate change melting US glaciers at faster rate, study finds
That is more like the usual rant.
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>US geological survey commissioned by Obama administration indicates
>a sharp rise in the melt rate of key American glaciers over the last
>10-15 years
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/06/america-glacier-melt
>Glaciers: Then and Now
>http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/GlobalWarming/popup?id=1756218&conte...
>Glaciers go, leaving drought, conflict and tension in Andes
>http://wwwp.dailyclimate.org/tdc-newsroom/2009/05/glaciers-go-leaving...
>Wine regions feel the heat
>By Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY
>http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2006-06-01-wine-warming_x.htm
>Everest's Melting Glaciers
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enJ9F8WKXVU
>Himalayan sherpas bugged by the sight of house flies at 5,000m
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/oct/12/himalayas-nepal-cli...
>part 1
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRwaN4JHvFk
>part 2
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FI97yuKSjU
>part 3
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPT1grLGpL0
>part 4
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo-rHUlWq5I
>part 5 - CO2 DOES run HOTTER - scientifically proven!
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ynj51jhrE18
>Tree Rings: Counting the Years of Global Warming
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqicp4PvHrY
>The evidence is against you.
But not for CO2.
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>Greenland's ice melting faster than expected - 28 Sept 09
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf2iGpeeg88
>Must see video of Greenland melting (2009.02.20)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F9FbdqGRsg
>Greenland ice lakes drain at speed of Niagara Falls
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVAiIkTF3E&NR=1
>Will Climate Change Affect the Greenland Ice Sheet?
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iobBu8mSWAI
>NASA: Increasing Rate of Ice Melt in Greenland (2005.05.20)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SoBF4vFArg&feature=related
>Trailer for Vanishing...or Khanty of melting Siberia
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pNfPXNXQ78
>Warming hits 'tipping point'
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