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Article #3944Re: Eco-idiots should be arrested ! ! !
From: 2ndSight
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:05
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:05
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kaisers_sun@yahoo.com (Brian Raab) wrote in message news:<8d001dc6.0410061616.4d22aa3f@posting.google.com>... > These morons have no rights, they steal the jobs of people because > companies have to move to India. > > Kill all of them! This is a totally wrong-headed message, but it's one that should alert Green activists and other environmentalists to a real problem. It's NOT environmental regulations, mostly, that are prompting US companies to move jobs to India and other Third World locations. It's labor costs and corporate hunger for profits. It's cheaper for the big companies to move production from the US, where people are paid more or less decent wages, to other countries where you can hire people for a fraction of the cost. It's cheaper, and because it's cheaper, it raises corporate profits (at least in the short run). And because it raises profits in the short run, stockholders like it. So the corporations move, the US jobs disappear -- and presto, people like Brian Raab are blaming environmentalists for the problem. Isn't the real problem here that American capitalism, as we know it, is bankrupt environmentally? - and morally bankrupt in its treatment of people as well? And that global "free trade," as promoted by Republicans and Democrats alike, is making the economy's social and moral bankruptcy evident to everyone? American capitalism has done some truly amazing things over the years, as well as some awful ones, but whatever its past virtues and faults, it now basically can't keep most people employed at the wages its own advertizing campaigns have led us to expect, and indeed, to "need." So rather than face the fact that the global capitalist market is about to screw American working people, and many small business owners as well, defenders of the system are looking for scapegoats for the system's failure. For some people, the scapegoats are Jews, or Muslims, or "overpaid" American workers. For others, the scapegoats are new immigrants to the US; and for some people, the scapegoats are environmentalists. Just kill the environmentalists (or the Muslims, the Jews, the rednecks - pick the scapegoat of your preference here!) and the system will go back to the "good old days," is what the demagogues tell us. Except this won't work, because the problem is with free competition, with globalization, and with an employment market that buys and sells the labor of human beings in just the same way you and I might decide to buy a new PC. With consideration for "price" only - with no heed for the human lives at stake in the decision. The fact that Brian's proposal to "kill all the environmentalists" is both irrelevant and crazy, however, doesn't mean it's one that serious environmentalists can afford to ignore. If Brian and his friends kill all the Greens, and the hurricane damage to Florida and other places just gets worse because of global climate changes that the environmentalists were working to stop, the same people who crush the environmental movement are going to miss it, in the end. They're going to realize what a terrible mistake they made in killing the messenger. BUT -- In the short run, with the big corporations indeed shipping jobs to India just as Brian says they are, environmentalists are going to have to address the "jobs issue," or risk being devastated by a political backlash arising from mass unemployment and blasted career expectations. Several different environmentalists and labor activists have looked into the "jobs issue" and formulated plans for dealing with it. Some of the more promising ideas call for: 1. The creation of new industrial jobs through government and corporate investments in "green" industries such as renewable energy production; 2. Efforts to bolster employment in the construction industry and related trades through labor/environmental/small business coalitions that promote INFRASTRUCTURE repair and upgrading throughout the US -- needed government expenditures on long-overdue repair and maintenance activities on the nation's railroad tracks, subway lines, buried sewer and water pipes, bridges, and even its existing highways. 3. Labor/environmentalist/construction industry coalitions to promote federal spending on new infrastructure projects needed for environmental purposes. For example, a few years ago the Association of State and Interstate Water Pollution Control Administrations (ASIWPCA) estimated that the redesign of "combined sewer" systems around the US, urban sewer systems that pollute rivers and streams with untreated human fecal material during rainstorms, would require construction and reconstruction work costing $120 billion over a 30-year period. $120 billion worth of state and federal expenditures on "combined sewer" problems could put a LOT of construction workers, pipe fitters, backhoe operators, construction contractors etc. etc. to work at good wages, while improving the nation's environmental quality rather than hurting it. It would be win/win for everybody - for everyone who likes to swim or canoe or fish on the nation's lakes and rivers. For the nation's dwindling population of commercial fishermen, who earn their livings taking fish from these water bodies. For green groups like the Sierra Club. And for thousands if not tens of thousands of fairly conservative construction workers who often think of themselves as foes of the environmental movement. 4. In addition to the three strategies of "green" job creation listed above, environmentalists and labor activists could and should cooperate to establish a "Superfund for Workers," or "GI Bill for Workers," that will cover the living expenses and college/trade school tuition of workers who are displaced from dirty industries, and who need to/want to earn new high-paying trades that are easier on the environment. This idea for a "Workers Superfund," modeled after the successful GI Bill enacted in the US in the 1940s, to put returning WWII veterans in school and keep them off a glutted job market while giving them new skills, was pioneered in the 1980s by Anthony Mazzocchi, a vice president of the old Oil, Chemical & Atomic Workers union. And it's another win/win proposal that could benefit several different groups -- the environmentalists working to shut down filthy industries, the local communities affected by pollution from these industries, the workers affected, and the nation as a whole, which could train workers for the high-tech jobs of the future, rather than seeking to preserve the polluting industries of the past. A workable "GI Bill for Workers" operating on a large scale would be good for the revenues of colleges, universities and trade schools, as well. 5. In addition to proposals 1-4, environmentalists and labor activists also should look at France's experiment with a shorter, 35-hour work week, as one possible mechanism for spreading work and leisure around more equally in society while somewhat scaling back heavy industry and its assaults on nature as well as the human family. In the US today, millions of people find themselves trying to work 60 hour weeks, if they can get in the hours, and stealing time from their families and kids while the companies they work at produce "goods" that sometimes are "bads," because they're really useless or really detrimental to the environment. Yet even as our society forces some people to be workaholics in order to support their families, which they rarely see, other people are partly or totally squeezed out of the work force. They become unemployed, or go on welfare, or become part-time "temps" with few if any benefits. And corporate America loves the profits to be made from employing fewer people, but working them longer hours. If Americans worked the same hours that French workers do, on the other hand, and if we enjoyed 4-week and 6-week vacations as many European workers do, rather than the measly 2-week vacations many of us actually receive, the American economy might be forced to hire more people for a given output of Gross Domestic Product. Without increasing its "environmental footprint," its total pollution impact and impact on the world's natural resources, American capitalism might be compelled to provide greater job security to the people who do the hard work of actually keeping it going. And American families and neighborhoods might benefit as middle-class people (now that they were putting in fewer hours on the job), found more time for their children, their friends, their spouses and their communities. **** These are all potential solutions, or part-solutions, to the "jobs issue" that the Green movement and the mainstream conservation lobbying groups in Washington need to start considering. Of course, there are undoubtedly other answers to the "jobs vs. environment" conundrum to be found, if we start looking for them. But ignoring the jobs issue, simply focusing on saving wildlife and wildlife habitat and other natural systems while ignoring the economic insecurities of our neighbors, is a recipe for an anti-environmental backlash. Which the polluters, of course, will be only too willing to foster for selfish reasons of their own.
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