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Re: Environmentalists are mentally ill.

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From: Orval Fairbairn
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:03
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In article <3B787D21.A2ED7FBF@gte.net>, Tulay <vctm1@gte.net> wrote:

> PeopleEater wrote:
> 
> > snip
> > > > > OH?? What do you think we DO with our huge agricultural output? Try
> > > > > visiting the Port of New Orleans (or Sacramento) and see all the grain
> > > > > ships lined up there, loading grain destined for the world. We
truly live
> > > > > in an international economy.
> > > >
> > > > I agree that ew do produce a surplus, but the other guy I was talking
> > > > with seems to think that the US is the *only* nation that actually
> > > > grows food.
> > >
> > > We produce so much that if we were to stop sending it over seas, there
> > > would be massive starvations in many countries.......and no, we are not
> > > the only producers, but we get the most produced with the least human
> > > effort.
> >
> > There already is massive starvation in many countries. Hell, most
> > don't even have access to safe drinking water. Problem is with the 3rd
> > World is not that most countries don't have the capability to grow
> > their own food, but that they do so ineffeciently or their gov't
> > ennacts laws or programs that prevent them form building a
> > self-supporting agricultural economy. First off, the most effiecent
> > food-producers are small farmers who own their land.
> 
> If that was true, the US would not be the greatest producer of food.
> The BIG surpluses we have comes from hugh farms with hugh outputs
> per acre.  Much greater than could be achieved by small farmers.


NOT TRUE!  In the Midwest, where I grew up, the small farmers consistently
outperform the corporate farms, for one simple reason -- they OWN the land
and make their own decisions! Most farms there are family-owned and
operated.

This production and inability of the gov't to control it produce
surplusses. I do NOT advocate gov't control, as it would introduce other,
worsemaladies than overproduction.

Of course, we must define "small farmer". I would define it as "any farm
encompassing less than 1 square mile of arable land."
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