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not maybe, absolutely. The companies who pump this stuff know it, the govt 
knows it, the only people who don't want you to know it is the news media 
and Supreme Court and Congress who ignore all obvious links to the damage. 
You figure this out, I say the links to pollution and ill health for 
families are provable without one iota of doubt. If the studies don't 
conclusively prove it  now, it can be proved. Anyone want to see my 
accumulated soot and black soot from only 25 days of living in moderate 
amounts of particulates/.I dare anyone to compare our peoples overall health 
to those in polluted areas who ate the same things. If this doesn't prove 
that polluters and govt policy isn't murdering families nothing will and I 
can think of ten more tests to prove it.,\
Please send my following opinion and links to real facts to your Congressman 
and ask how the greatest country in the world can get away with poisoning 
inner city youth and millions of people without a thing done to protect 
them.


Is it possible?
Mr. Bush get a clue, side with safety , not poisoning people.
Coming back from , Boston or New York I am often taken back and my lungs
constrict as I head
to Philly yet no one cares. This is totally involuntary reflex due the
poisons. Can you imagine families having to put up with this for decades and
it affects another area of their body , one not so obvious?
Ok? Now you or anyone tell me why this isn't the most important things in
people lives right now... MASS MURDER by oil , coal and car companies and
who will ever compensate those that will lose their health and lives and
fiances to it? There are many many ways to prove all this beyond the few
studies on web and epa findings and American Lung Associations ratings of F.
Where are the attorneys? Why isn't more being done. What I do hear is its
not as bad as it once was, and its a beautiful day , and 23 different
medications to treat sleep disorders and asthma and allergy after they
poison you .We get commercials for inhalers and oxygen and not a worry in
the
world why people age and die faster in these polluted hell holes ..
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The denial industry

For years, a network of fake citizens' groups and bogus scientific
bodies has been claiming that science of global warming is
inconclusive. They set back action on climate change by a decade. But
who funded them? Exxon's involvement is well known, but not the strange
role of Big Tobacco. In the first of three extracts from his new book,
George Monbiot tells a bizarre and shocking new story

Tuesday September 19, 2006
The Guardian

Exxon station in California
'The impacts of the climate-change deniers sponsored by Exxon have been
felt all over the world.' Photograph: AP

ExxonMobil is the world's most profitable corporation. Its sales now
amount to more than $1bn a day. It makes most of this money from oil,
and has more to lose than any other company from efforts to tackle
climate change. To safeguard its profits, ExxonMobil needs to sow doubt
about whether serious action needs to be taken on climate change. But
there are difficulties: it must confront a scientific consensus as
strong as that which maintains that smoking causes lung cancer or that
HIV causes Aids. So what's its strategy?

Article continues
The website Exxonsecrets.org, using data found in the company's
official documents, lists 124 organisations that have taken money from
the company or work closely with those that have. These organisations
take a consistent line on climate change: that the science is
contradictory, the scientists are split, environmentalists are
charlatans, liars or lunatics, and if governments took action to
prevent global warming, they would be endangering the global economy
for no good reason. The findings these organisations dislike are
labelled "junk science". The findings they welcome are labelled "sound
science".

Among the organisations that have been funded by Exxon are such
well-known websites and lobby groups as TechCentralStation, the Cato
Institute and the Heritage Foundation. Some of those on the list have
names that make them look like grassroots citizens' organisations or
academic bodies: the Centre for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global
Change, for example. One or two of them, such as the Congress of Racial
Equality, are citizens' organisations or academic bodies, but the line
they take on climate change is very much like that of the other
sponsored groups. While all these groups are based in America, their
publications are read and cited, and their staff are interviewed and
quoted, all over the world.

By funding a large number of organisations, Exxon helps to create the
impression that doubt about climate change is widespread. For those who
do not understand that scientific findings cannot be trusted if they
have not appeared in peer-reviewed journals, the names of these
institutes help to suggest that serious researchers are challenging the
consensus.

This is not to claim that all the science these groups champion is
bogus. On the whole, they use selection, not invention. They will find
one contradictory study - such as the discovery of tropospheric
cooling, which, in a garbled form, has been used by Peter Hitchens in
the Mail on Sunday - and promote it relentlessly. They will continue to
do so long after it has been disproved by further work. So, for
example, John Christy, the author of the troposphere paper, admitted in
August 2005 that his figures were incorrect, yet his initial findings
are still being circulated and championed by many of these groups, as a
quick internet search will show you.

But they do not stop there. The chairman of a group called the Science
and Environmental Policy Project is Frederick Seitz. Seitz is a
physicist who in the 1960s was president of the US National Academy of
Sciences. In 1998, he wrote a document, known as the Oregon Petition,
which has been cited by almost every journalist who claims that climate
change is a myth.


> Mass poisoning of people makes 9/11 look like a picnic and Bush is cause
> of
> it. We can do moe now, we don't have to pretend we don't know of the
> damage.Its the point that we know all this, can do more and still don't
> that really gets to me on top of the physical discomfort of being choked
> with asthma only on these days and those days are numerous.
> I live it every year in this helll hole. Where over 100 days so far with
> air
> out of the good zone. Where my lungs constrict,. where peoples atttiudes
> are
> rotten, where drinking and drugging might be appropriate response to being
> poisoned, many are jobless and mean spirited  then they tell you about our
> crime rate that keeps increasing, but no links to pollution! We
> are being poisoned. If your not affected and many aren't , please realize
> many others are.  So many things are affected negatively and the best and
> brightest in news and politicians ignore it. They rather talk about Iraq.
> Let me tell you something this poisoning makes Iraq and 9/11 look like a
> picnic and its because of the oil, and energy lobby and car companies.
> They
> all are going about telling you of changes but chances are for too many
> people it will be too late....
>
>
> >
>>>>>Of course they are. Pollution is by definition poison. That's the
>>>>>problem
>> with pollution, it poisons people. DUH!
>>
>> Yes but how many people think pollution might have caused their relatives
>> death? Affected their life span ?  Chances are not many and chances are ,
>> at least in my town, they should assume that. So many days the air is
>> horrific here and not a thing said or done. I have been in other places
>> with clean air and its like living in two different centuries almost.
>> Attitudes, crime,  health and total costs for health are or might be
>> different.But most important the actual lives of peoples health are
>> different and many ways to prove it. SSssssssssssoooo many people are
>> losing their life and age and health to pollution and built up of gasses
>> compared to others its almost unbelievable.
>
> We have a street around here called Street Road and come rush hour this is
> life a ten mile polluted town akin probably to most polluted places in
> Asia.
> All one might have to do is see how the people who work on this street has
> been affected compared to those in clean air to know what kind of poison
> people are getting. Not all poisons are equally venomous.
>>
> Maybe you or your friends are old looking and your friend didn't die from
> old age, they died
> earlier because of wrongrace, or where you lived and died because Bush
> didn't
> care one iota for your health , and in fact can be argued is contributing
> to
> you and your families ill health and death...I can argue the democrats
> didn't care either but we know more now, anyone can add up the objective
> data. Anyone can add up the number of prescription for asthma meds and
> compare the stats by area. Anyone can compare the state of health between
> people who live in polluted areas and those that don't. The studies so far
> are dim for the people in the NE being poisoned. Everyone should be on
> some kind of disability if I am any example of how this toxic air affects
> one over time , the head of the EPA thinks is acceptable but practically
> ever other expert from his own agency doesn't. How can I give this jerk
> the same choking that he allows me to get? Where people are being poisoned
> and made to die decades earlier because of Bushs policies?
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html
>>>
>>>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101616.html
>
>
>>
>>                     EPA Reports 6 out of every 10 homes are sick.
>>  a.. Strong new evidence suggests that air pollution emitted by power
>> plants and vehicles
>>  across the US raises the risk of lung disease, according to a study in
>> the
>> Journal of
>>  the American Medical Association.
>>  b.. The air inside your home may be 5 times more polluted than the air
>> outside, according
>>  to the EPA.
>>  c.. More than 1/2 of the US population is breathing unhealthy amounts of
>> air pollution
>>  according to the American Lung Association's State of the Air, 2002.
>>  d.. 40-50 million Americans suffer from allergies and 17 million battle
>> asthma.
>>  e.. Virus, fungus, bacteria and hundreds of other germs are carried in
>> the
>> air at all times.
>>  While inhaled into the lungs, germs can cause cold, flu, pneumonia and
>> other respiratory infections. When these germs lodge in your lungs, your
>> breathing can be disrupted
>>  and you can become ill. American Lung Association
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> there are a few associations between politics and asthma which yout wo
>> seem
>> to take issue about the most when I associate the idea. even thoughyou
>> don't
>> read my posts. Here are a few other ideas: Pollution is one of the most
>> important but often overlooked causes of ill health. If you were to ask
>> people what werethe causes of your relatives death few would say
>> pollution
>> but yet that isexactly what might have been a major contributor. I think
>> people have toldme they came away thinking differently about asthma and
>> pollution and illhealth after reading my posts. People might know of
>> pollutions consequencesbut most people don't know their cities air
>> ratings
>> or how it pertains tooverall health. If I can promote people to be
>> educated
>> about one of the mostimportant factors in their health in life, then I
>> can
>> take the criticismsfrom people like you who obviously feel a bit
>> threatened
>> by information thatyou can't contribute. . I may post allot and its
>> because
>> the news media willnot go over the issue of pollution and the
>> consequences
>> and this will keeppeople a, uneducated about political changes, and b,
>> uneducated aboutchoices where to live and how to find better conditions
>> of
>> air for theirfamily."mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fAXRg.2620$422.457@trnddc03...> yes, but do you realize one in five
>> kids in NE states has asthma in some> places? They didn't have anything
>> wrong with em.... the trees are dying> here, in droves, I automatically
>> can't breath in moderate particulates,and> our news says polluted days
>> are
>> beautiful and their commericals are paidfor> by 34 different companies
>> that
>> tout drugs to treat you after they poison> you. If you think the goal for
>> people to have jobs at poisoning the planet> and expense is business as
>> it
>> should be, better guess again or volunteerto> take our place while we
>> live
>> in Hawaii or at the ranch far away from> motorists and crime...> The
>> stats
>> say pollution kills and I say its underreported of the dangers.> When I
>> first started people said I was crazy , global warming isn't true.> Guess
>> what , if people knew that the biggest single reason for illnesswhen>
>> everything else like diet and addictions were the same is
>> pollution,people>
>> might be singing a different
>> tune.>>>>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060921/hl_hsn/pollutedairmightincreasestrokerisk>>>
>> some people think more people are being murdered by polluters then>>>
>> murder, 9/11 and Iraq combined. Not only do longevity studies prove
>> when>>>
>> every thing else is the same , like diet and addiction levels,
>> pollution>>>
>> levels and amount of days an areas  t=that gets moderate or
>> worseparticulates  is>>> the defining factor in contributing to lower
>> longevity,>>> but many studies have showed cause and effect.When
>> everything
>> is similar>>> such as>>> diet and addiction, the defining factor for
>> longevity seems to be how>>> close>>> people live to pollutants and how
>> often. The associations between>>> pollution>>> and ill health are out
>> there, but our news and politicians don't care>>> except>>> for Arnold
>> and
>> NY. mayor. More studies can be done and I could volunteermany types and
>> how
>> they can be done but I know what the result would show,the oil and energy
>> crew don't want to know the truth . I am being charged upto 59 dollars a
>> month for the right to use gas even if I don't use it. Canyou imagine
>> what
>> the conservatives would be screaming if someone chargedthem 59 dollars a
>> month for something they don't use? Only in America canenergy get special
>> treatment, poison you, made to pay more for it thenanything else combined
>> and after they poison you, they cover it up and youcan't sue em... Oil
>> and
>> old energy people and Johnson from EPA>>> and Republicans are in power
>> with
>> a>>> mandate  knowing  people cant seem to  sue them and those people
>> say>>> pollution and>>> its negative effects is not proven to prop up
>> their
>> energy supporterswho>>> gain billions, at your healths and families
>> expense
>> and this ispatronage and favoritism and wait, its at your>>> healths
>> expense. This is MURDER . Where is expectation  of protectionfrom the epa
>> who>>> disagrees with Johnson on this issue , or isn't govt is here to
>> protectcitizens>>> equally/ Not in Bushs or Johnsons or Republicans
>> MURDER
>> the people who>>> don't know world.This is domestic terrorism. Don't
>> think
>> so trybreathing this for fifty years. look at my filters for one month,
>> get
>> intothis area of moderate pollution for 100 plus days a year and see how
>> ittakes its tolls . Do a study. see how those closest to the pollution
>> diesalmost 15 years sooner and those that don't have they tested their
>> overallhealth compared to places with little or no pollution? I will tell
>> you theresults. there are huge differences in attitudes, in health , in
>> optimismand even crime sometimes. all because of pollution levels. If
>> republicansare poisoning people and not doing anything about it, this is
>> murder...>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/us/22soot.html>>>
>> There
>> are many other studies to show cause and effect and morecould>>> be had
>> but
>> you can't sue the bastards so don't expect to see thestudies..>>> This is
>> a
>> democracy? Poor being>>> poisoned, rich many living 14 years longer then
>> others cause they arerich>>> and not near the pollution, the rest near
>> polluters deal with it. Payfor>>> your lost health and medication so
>> polluters make billions.Its not likewe>>> can't do more and we will leave
>> ourselves vulnerable. All we are asking>>> for>>> is making changes that
>> are
>> available today faster!>>>>>>      Just moderate amounts of this poison
>> is
>> killing and hurtingamericans>>> and your families.... right now and this
>> much I promise is true. The>>> latest longevity study shows that some
>> people
>> are living up to 14 years>>> longer and often the best longevity is in
>> rich
>> places in clean air.Clean>>> and dirty air in the longevity study
>> recently
>>
>>forget about record number of asthma, forget illness we are talking death
>>> by
>>> pollution
>>> in addition to all the links I gave before  and are available on the net
>>>> with the associationg of  death and ill health to pollution, the new
>>>> longevity study by state
>>>> shows that pollution is a factor in determning old age too in some if
>>>> not
>>>> all places although the study authors didn't directly mention
>>>> pollution..
>>>> (how convenient)
>>>> The study conveniently left out pollution as a factor .This is such a
>>>> giant conspiracy to not tell people i think its absolutely criminal . I
>>>> think
>>>> lawyers can add this study to the ammunition they already could get to
>>>> show
>>>> pollution is associated to added risk of death and ill health. There is
>>>> not
>>>> a place that has high amount of particle pollution with people who live
>>>> on
>>>> average the longest. In fact your more likely to not live longest and
>>>> live
>>>> shorter lives when you get high particulates and or ozone and
>>>> everything
>>>> else in polluted and non polluted  areas are
>>>> the same like diet and rates of addiction (thats my theory), so now
>>>> what?
>>>> If someone were to tell you or your family were going to loseup to
>>>> five
>>>> years of life  or a decade or more  for something you had no control
>>>> of,
>>>> or because of
>>>> where you lived would you or should you
>>>> be concerned? Should  you be warned? Should we have politicians or gov
>>>> policy
>>>> to
>>>> protect you or families equally with expectations to live without undue
>>>> risks?  should people in the US expect with their tax dollars, that
>>>> they
>>>> be warned of risks of bodily harm,  or  probabe cause  of imminent
>>>> dangers Well
>>>> that is exactly what is not  happening and no one is warning you. Its
>>>> ok
>>>> to murder
>>>> people so it seems as long as you can't sue the people who are
>>>> murdering
>>>> you.  and or your too poor to care or know your being poisoned .When
>>>> cigarette companies and people who make errant products can be
>>>> sued even though the people often had a choice its one thing. With
>>>> energy
>>>> companies or car companies, and  govt, that often sets amount of
>>>> pollution, people down wind
>>>> have no choices. people and companies profitting at someones health
>>>> expense should not be allowed until provisions are made so companies
>>>> have to reduce the factors that increase the risks of pollution and ill
>>>> health ...   everyone should be protected equally
>
>  Not only that, how long you live by state is often
>>>> diffused by not showing how long you might live in the most polluted
>>>> cities in that state. Often the difference of only 40 miles could be
>>>> the
>>>> difference between living years longer or not.  ( for instance NJ is a
>>>> polluted state but there are areas in NJ that get overall good air near
>>>> the sea and asian women with good families and no bad habits living
>>>> long
>>>> time  show that) By and large if you live in
>>>> polluted city like Camden Washington dc and you do or don't  have other
>>>> risk factors, do you know which one is more likely to kill you faster?
>>>> for
>>>> oil , coal and energy ., THE DEFINING FACTOR IS POLLUTION in poisoning
>>>> people and shortening their life and your not told.  The sad facts are
>>>> more can be done NOW but isn't.
>>>> Tens of thousands are losing up to decade of life but news would rather
>>>> tell you about Britney Spears or a way in Iraq where one tenth as many
>>>> people are dying, except here no one has a choice in accepting these
>>>> toxins.
>>>> .Of course the issue of condition of health is not even factored in
>>>> either
>>>> like the rate of cancer or asthma. If the studies were made that
>>>> compared
>>>> the health of people who ate the same rather healthy diet but one lived
>>>> in
>>>> polluted city and one didn't that difference would show cause and
>>>> effect.
>>>> People are being poisoned in many cities in NE and SE and these
>>>> longevity
>>>> studies adds to the proof.
>>>> This longevity study should add fuel to the fire that first poor people
>>>> in the cities offer suffer significantly more dealth and illness (
>>>> addictions aside) then rich people in clean areas . Up to ten years
>>>> more.
>> Any people rich or poor living downwind from pollution are decreasing
>> their average life span ... how much so still needs to be determining
>> according to particulate and ozone level. In fact of all risk factors
>> pollution might be the most important or as important as the other major
>> risk factors like smoking and poor diet. If we are poisoning people , why
>> should we complain when they rob and shoot you when they couldn't be well
>> enough to make the right choices?
>> I saw a show on Britney Spears and we see the importance of wars in Iraq,
>> we are told of recalls of errant car seat
>> yet this issue is affecting tens of millions  of little boys and girls
>> and
>> families and the press is silent.. That little girl with cancer might
>> have
>> gotten cancer simply because her little body could not have absorbed the
>> toxins around her.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>We talk about black people in poverty and our young getting fat but the
>>>incredible thing is even if they wanted to do better they might not be
>>>able! becayse we are dosing them with black lungs and polluted bodies.
>>>You try living in this poison for 39 years. Anyone can see what kind
>>>of dirt is coming into my filter every 20 days, just mulitply that by
>>>years.....
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