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Started by mark
Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:35
If Gov allows Coal and oil industry to murder why not allow Individuals
Author: mark
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:35
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:35
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to murder and lie to people wait they do? Why not free our murderers and then pay them like the coal industry is allowed then have a former President write legislation so you can't prosecute them or sue them? On Dec 13, 6:51 am, mark <markjer...@yahoo.com> wrote: > more depression more respiratory disease, nothing done, this is the > most surreal poisoning I ever saw > Please read my blog. what coal exposure brings and being near too much greenhouse gas > does to us. More cancer, more respiratory illness, more autism, more depression, more heart disease, most asthma some years, kids health and respiratory system compromised. > I am telling you because we get so many days with higher then normal > pm pollution and or the most consistent days without good air, both factors are as important and that factor is never reported. the people here are slowly being murdered. I have seen the differences in populations , the rehabs, the people who need canes, the families without a loved one anymore who died years earlier. Do not go to > school here , do not live here and if you must stay read the > consequences, do comparisons if you can, Compare number of prescriptions, compare outlay costs of healthcare, compare number of hosptializations per age,compare stress tests, compare number of people who won races and race times , compare how many people need disability and what age, between clean and dirty air, compare death rates, compare overall health and stress tests. . Don't end up in cancer wards, > with heart disease and strokes cause you can't literally can't stay healthy > here and thats what I am saying, Exercising in this muck is almost impossible. I tried and needed more asthma meds afterwards. Its like running and smoking at the same time. Its virtually impossible to stay healthy here. > on top of losing their health years before others, I am suggesting... > cosnervatives are denying the cause of global warming and media goes > along ignoring this harm ,instead marketing for you to go to hospitals > enmass especially in Philly. I have to believe policy makers and even the epa assume its ok to poison people if it provides jobs for healthcare. If you know people in other states > compare their health to yours as you age, You will see this is not > just a question of opinion its a matter of fact and its going to > affect your lives. We get more pollution then most every state in the > union or and most days without good air. We get more asthma autism, depression, and heart disease then > most places in the country.. > : I urge lawyers and dare I suggest politicians not paid off, to > comparehealth records between clean air populations and dirty air populations > > (pm pollution above 35 the most) and show how much more harm people > > in our areas suffer then people in cleanair. The numbers I heard from studies go from one > > year to 12 years of life lost by just living near pollution .and people don't > > have choices this is put on them., now why don't they tell you this > > each day or tell you where this is going on?,, at least those most > > vulnerable to be able to protet themselves. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Cause your families are not worth it to those in power. Its ok to let gov murder people and make money doing it but its not ok if someone else murders someone else. A contradiction in values? How did we ever default to oking to murder people ? Where when ??? > > People in Philly and often NE and Pa sicker becuase we have worse pollution (Its happening now,) numbers and it could be proven more.I am sure. > > The smartest people like clean like near the beaches CapeCod,Florida, off Washington coast near the mountains.. > > off the coast of California (not necessarily La).Portland, Boston even most cities in the US not near the ports are better then Philly. Not Philly EVER which has > > the least amount of clean air days under 35pm pollution then almost any city in > > America small or large..1/2 the kids don't graduate, Race hate in schools, thousands of shootings, most taxed city, most asthma, autism, most depression and Most poisoned. > > 2. No athlete won anything in bike or running here nationally for > > years.probably decades even though we had the 4th largest number of people.Yes we had rowers but they were mostly peoplebrought here for a > > few years from other places and has to do more about strength. You > > really have to be in great aerobic conditon and in Philly thats an > > oxymoron . Just think when your older when its not a question of > > winning anything but rather just trying to stay in good health. You > > can't which is why I am warning people (sane people) we are being > > poisoned by coal and not enough done to lower particulate pollution .People literally can't stay healthy even if they wanted to. Bad air cuts off every possibility of maintaining health.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where for gods sake is the agency that is suppose to protect you? EPA was madated to protect us and not doing us. Another contradiction to values. Don't tell me we don;t promote people doing bad things for jobs .Our role models suck! > > 3.The best way to show damage is to compare hospital stays, who , what > > age and for what condition between clean or dirty air. Total outlay of $ > > for health care per age between clean air and dirty air Everything I > > have seen personally shows much more illness and asthma correlated to > > particulate pollution rates which is mostly higher here then in almost > > every major city in the US. Like I said, I see many many more people > > who are sick limping fat and who look sick then any clean air place I > > have been. Can that be proven? I think so by comparing stress tests. > > and soo many other different ways like the number of prescriptions in > > age groups between clean air and dirty air. I honestly believe people here whether they care or not now, are losing years of health, not a few months but years of health. > > > This is just the start why I believe its especially bad for Philly > > residents but if you don't believe the best and brightest will . This is one reason no matter how many unions are doing wht here smart people will leave, people who pay taxes will leave and we have more people who can't be too bright or people trapped or thousands of excons dumped here left to be poisoned . maybe on purpose. > > Personally I dont even trust the quality of the doctors who decide to > > stay here cause they have allot of work.. I can't believe they don't > > know how many people get asthma and sick here compared to other > > cleaner cities. Anyway Supreme > > Court and Epa already both shown proof of harm for greenhouse gas and > > guess who gets the most? Pa.. the second most then every state in the > > US. Philly can be > > great city but our leaders dont' have a clue how to get us there. This > > is the weakest link but guess what its not a game its your life in > > balance and yes they will poison you and instead of telling you why > > and where direct you to hospitals instead.. Get those hospitals ready if you don[t believe. . I have asked epa to > > explain why they don't tell you where this greenhouse pollution takes its biggest toll > > No answer! You can easily read between the lines. You figure out why, Your kids lives don't mean a > > thing.. In addition anyone near coal is being unusally poisoned, and who are living near 4 way stop signs or on major highways are really being sickened and not told. > > Now I should hear about jew hate? Why cause I am tring to protect you > > and dirty energy wants to keep poisoning you and make you pay more for > > it then anything in your life , no wonder they don't like me aye? > > >http://phillypollution.blogspot.com/ > > The relationship between pollution, greenhouse gas and illness is > especially pertinent in NE states and Pa..I am suggesting and have > suggested that pollution from coal states due west , global gasses > from oil refinieres, and the effects from carbon dioxide from smoke > stacks and cars and trucks and old diesel among other gasses from > auto emissions is enough to keep our Philadelphia pm (particulate > matter) levels and in other areas most affected higher then in most > states in the US and especially makes our city and > state in Philly, Pa vulnerable to damage this particulate matter most > often brings then most states in the > > US. Thus its my assertion we are harmed greatly and few of us are > > told. So the most critical thing is to determine if these greenhouses > > gasses produce more disaility and heart disease and major illness > here > > and this is where I begin to suggest a conspiracy begins. Why because > > we are marketed for hospitals day and night, and I am presuming > > because we really really need those places more and only because of > > forced entrapment of being made to breathe this high pm matter the > > most. Its a conspiracy because I believe we have much more asthma, > > copd, heart disease, kids respiratory health compromised, and cancer > then rest of the nation and we are not told.. Even though for years, > > agencies have suggested those people who get the most pollution die > > much younger the agencies rarey say who those people are. . I am > > suggesting it has to be our area that get pm pollution the most or > most > often.In addition because Pa, gets the second most accumulation of > greenhouse gases and most days without good air then I think at the > very least people lose their health faster not necessarily die faster > MORE > > then ever every city and state in the nation. we are even more at > risk. These > are things the government > > doesn't have to tell you about but I will to show how people here are > > forced to lose their health with no way to protect themselves and > > without anyone warning them except the Am lung association which > rates > > our air F. Even they don't go far enough and suggest to people not to > > move because of those ratings.. Why because people might move to > areas > > that are just as polluted they claim. . Even at times this shows me > > even the American Lung association shows they are not fully > > discllosing how dangerous it is and what to do about it.The epa the > > same way, finally comes forth to suggest green house gas is > dangerous, > > a step up from what they said before that thousands of people are > being exposed to > > harmful amounts of pollution (which they said years ago) but still > > don't tell you where this pollution affects people most. They have > > also been sued for not doing enough to protect americans so if they > > are the ones who comes out and tell you how dangerous the air is you > > an assume if anything they underscore the dangers. Incidentally what > > they rate as moderate pm levels is anything but. I claim the level > moderate is > > actually the point at which harms begins- anotherarbitrary and > insideous way to downplay what is harmful. The reason they don't go > > that extra step and tell you where the people most exposed are living > is. > > because they would have to admit it would be in those places getting > > so called moderate amounts of pollution the most. Even high levels in > > good at their website airnow.gov I claim are really good but > harmful.Of course with what little comparison data I have that will > be > hard to prove. Finally > > Combine daily exposre to higher then average pm levels with people > who > > live close to 4 way stop signs and red and green lights, and major > > highways, together with second most greenhouse gasses in the nation > for our state I am saying those people are even more at risk and > their risk to damages is even more compounded and magnified. Its a > sin > what these people will go thru and most will never ever believe any > of > this, its really ashame > > so people in Pa and Phily are probably under the worse conditions > possible in the US > > with more chances from illness then anywhere in the country or close. > I > > think its tragic our kids are being exposed more then most and people > > are getting sick faster and not told. Its beyond tragic its criminal. > finally > > the reason major media don't make this an issue is because they make > > tons of money advertising meds and hospitals for those people in our > > area and why tell you why you especially if they can make money > directing you where to go after your poisoned? Yes > > this conspiracy is that bad and people are that callous. What happend > > to good values in the US anymore. Sure this might be happening all > > over the world but we know more now. Why is our country not doing > more > > against violent crime and pollution especially from coal. Many say we > have the technology to replace it now. We have thousands of > people > > posting violent videos on the web. We have more people living in > major > > cities like Philly without jobs and who can't pay taxes. When > > does truth and doing the right things matter, where are our > > politicians? I didn't even get to violence. Finally I think sarah > Pallin and George will are deadwrong about global warming. I think > those that deny global warming most republicans are deceiving us the > most for old energy.- Hide quoted text - >
Re: If Gov allows Coal and oil industry to murder why not allow Individuals
Author: mark
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:33
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:33
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? Why not free our murderers > and then pay them like the coal industry is allowed then have a former > President write legislation so you can't prosecute them or sue them? : We have a myriad of bad things happening to us and everyone exposed to this mess wherever they are more > > This is the most surreal poisoning I ever saw > > Please read my blog. about what coal exposure brings, and being near too much greenhouse gas and particulate pollution does to people exposed the most. We get More cancer, more respiratory illness, more autism, more depression, more heart disease, most asthma some years, kids health and respiratory system compromised.(that according to a group of physicians) > > I am telling you because we get so many days with higher then normal > > pm pollution and or the most consistent days without good air, both factors are as important and that factor is never reported. The people here are slowly being murdered. I have seen the differences in populations , the rehabs, the people who need canes,pharmaceuticals, the families without a loved one anymore who died years earlier. Do not go to school here , do not live here and if you must stay read the > > consequences, do comparisons if you can, Compare number of prescriptions, compare outlay of healthcare costs,, compare number of hosptializations per age,compare stress tests, compare number of people who won races and race times , compare how many people need disability and what age, between clean and dirty air, compare death rates, compare overall health and stress tests .... . Don't end up in cancer wards, > >or with heart disease and strokes cause you can't literally stay healthy > > here and thats what I am saying, Exercising in this muck is almost impossible. I tried and needed more asthma meds afterwards After a certain point its totally useless. Thats not how it is in clean air.where people can refresh their systems.. Its like running and smoking at the same time. Its virtually impossible to stay healthy here so when experts lie about lifestyle changes and refuse to acknowledge what pollution does it just keeps getting the body sicker instead of challenging these people to protest to gov to make changes. > > on top of losing their health years before others and not necessarily dying, I am suggesting... > > cosnervatives are denying the cause of global warming and media goes > > along ignoring this harm ,instead marketing for you to go to hospitals and meds > > enmass especially in Philly. I have to believe policy makers and even the epa assume its ok to poison people if it provides jobs for healthcare. If you know people in other states > > compare their health to yours as you age, You will see this is not > > just a question of opinion its a matter of fact and its going to > > affect your lives. We get more pollution then most every state in the > > union or and most days without good air or most days of so called moderate pollution which is anything but.. We get more asthma autism, depression, and heart disease then > > most places in the country..I am sure we get more strokes and cancer also > > : I urge lawyers and dare I suggest politicians not paid off, to > > comparehealth records between clean air populations and dirty air populations > > > (pm pollution above 35 the most) and show how much more harm people > > > in our areas suffer then people in cleanair. The numbers I heard from studies go from one > > > year to 12 years of life lost by just living near pollution .and people don't > > > have choices this is put on them., now why don't they tell you this > > > each day or tell you where this is going on?,, at least those most > > > vulnerable to be able to protet themselves. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Cause your families are not worth it to those in power. Its ok to let gov murder people and make money doing it but its not ok if someone else murders someone else. A contradiction in values? How did we ever default to oking to murder people ? Where when ??? > > > People in Philly and often NE and Pa sicker becuase we have worse pollution (Its happening now,) numbers and it could be proven more.I am sure. > > > The smartest people like clean like near the beaches CapeCod,Florida, off Washington coast near the mountains.. > > > off the coast of California (not necessarily La).Portland, Boston even most cities in the US not near the ports are better then Philly. Not Philly EVER which has > > > the least amount of clean air days under 35pm pollution then almost any city in > > > America small or large..1/2 the kids don't graduate, Race hate in schools, thousands of shootings, most taxed city, most asthma, autism, most depression and Most poisoned. > > > 2. No athlete won anything in bike races nationally or running here nationally for > > > years.probably decades even though we had the 4th largest number of people.Yes we had rowers but they were mostly peoplebrought here for a > > > few years from other places and has to do more about strength. You > > > really have to be in great aerobic conditon and in Philly thats an > > > oxymoron . Villanova use to be a great running college till people realized Philly sucked for taking their health from them. Just think when your older when its not a question of > > > winning anything but rather just trying to stay in good health. You > > > can't which is why I am warning people (sane people) we are being > > > poisoned by coal and not enough done to lower particulate pollution .People literally can't stay healthy even if they wanted to. Bad air cuts off every possibility of maintaining health.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where for gods sake is the agency that is suppose to protect you? EPA was madated to protect us and not doing it!!!! They will think about making changes they say but not without Congress!!!! . Another contradiction to values. Don't tell me we don;t promote people doing bad things for jobs .Our role models suck! > > > 3.The best way to show damage is to compare hospital stays, who , what > > > age and for what condition between clean or dirty air. Total outlay of $ > > > for health care per age between clean air and dirty air Everything I > > > have seen personally shows much more illness and asthma correlated to > > > particulate pollution rates which is mostly higher here then in almost > > > every major city in the US. Like I said, I see many many more people > > > who are sick limping fat and who look sick, need respirators wheel chair, age faster then any clean air place I > > > have been. Can that be proven? I think so by comparing stress tests. > > > and soo many other different ways like the number of prescriptions in > > > age groups between clean air and dirty air. I honestly believe people here whether they care or not now, are losing years of health, not a few months but years of health. Epa and American Lung association say the damage is real but they don't go far enough to tell you who.The supreme court a rather conservative sort even agreed the damages are real and epa is not doing enough. So what have they done since? come out and say its dangerous thats it! They didn't mandate much changes. > > > > This is just the start why I believe its especially bad for Philly > > > residents and people exposed to car exhaust and particulate pollution , but if you don't believe the best and brightest will . This is one reason no matter how many unions are doing wht here smart people will leave, people who pay taxes will leave and we have more people who can't be too bright or people trapped or thousands of excons dumped here left to be poisoned instead. maybe on purpose. > > > Personally I dont even trust the quality of the doctors who decide to > > > stay here cause they have allot of work.. I can't believe they don't > > > know how many people get asthma and sick here compared to other > > > cleaner cities. Anyway Supreme > > > Court and Epa already both shown proof of harm for greenhouse gas and > > > guess who gets the most? Pa.. the second most then every state in the > > > US. Philly can be > > > great city but our leaders dont' have a clue how to get us there. This > > > is the weakest link but guess what its not a game its your life in > > > balance and yes they will poison you and instead of telling you why > > > and where direct you to hospitals instead.. Get those hospitals ready if you don[t believe. . I have asked epa to > > > explain why they don't tell you where this greenhouse pollution takes its biggest toll > > > No answer! You can easily read between the lines. You figure out why, Your kids lives don't mean a > > > thing.. In addition anyone near coal is being unusally poisoned, and who are living near 4 way stop signs or on major highways are really being sickened and not told. > > > Now I should hear about jew hateafter my posts? Why cause I am tring to protect you > > > and dirty energy wants to keep poisoning you and make you pay more for > > > it then anything in your life , no wonder they don't like me aye? > > > >http://phillypollution.blogspot.com/ > > > The relationship between pollution, greenhouse gas and illness is > > especially pertinent in NE states and Pa..I am suggesting and have > > suggested that pollution from coal states due west , global gasses > > from oil refinieres, and the effects from carbon dioxide from smoke > > stacks and cars and trucks and old diesel among other gasses from > > auto emissions is enough to keep our Philadelphia pm (particulate > > matter) levels and in other areas most affected higher then in most > > states in the US and especially makes our city and > > state in Philly, Pa vulnerable to damage this particulate matter most > > often brings then most states in the > > > US. Thus its my assertion we are harmed greatly and few of us are > > > told. So Even though for years, > > > agencies have suggested those people who get the most pollution die > > > much younger the agencies rarey say who those people are. . I am > > > suggesting it has to be our area that get pm pollution the most or > > most > > often.In addition because Pa, gets the second most accumulation of > > greenhouse gases and most days without good air then I think at the > > very least people lose their health here faster then most places.> > > These > > are things the government > doesn't have to tell you about but I will to show how people here are > > > forced to lose their health with no way to protect themselves and > > > without anyone warning them except the Am lung association which > > rates > > > our air F. Even they don't go far enough and suggest to people not to > > > move because of those ratings.. Why because people might move to > > areas > > > that are just as polluted they claim. To me thats a very lame way of saying we can't say too much to scare people. even they can't cross the line of being politically correct. No one seems to be able to make the steps to protect people. Not our last president who made law protecting citizens from suing polluters. Now why was that? . Even at times this shows me > The epa the same way, finally comes forth to suggest green house gas is > > dangerous, a step up from what they said before that thousands of people are > > being exposed to harmful amounts of pollution (which they said years ago) but still > don't tell you where this pollution affects people most. They have > > > also been sued for not doing enough to protect americans so if they > > > are the ones who comes out and tell you how dangerous the air is you > > > an assume if anything they underscore the dangers. Incidentally what > > > they rate as moderate pm levels is anything but. I claim the level > > moderate is > actually the point at which harms begins- anotherarbitrary and > > insideous way to downplay what is harmful. The reason they don't go > > > that extra step and tell you where the people most exposed are living > > is. > > > because they would have to admit it would be in those places getting > > > so called moderate amounts of pollution the most. Even high levels in > > > good at their website airnow.gov I claim are really not good but still > > harmful.Of course with what little comparison data I have that will > > be > > hard to prove. Finally Combine daily exposre to higher then average pm levels with people > > who live close to 4 way stop signs and red and green lights, and major highways, together with second most greenhouse gasses in the nation > > for our state and I am sure those people are even more at risk and > > their risk to damages is even more compounded and magnified Yet nothing is said.. Its a > > sin what these people will go thru and most will never ever believe any > > of > > this, its really ashame. Its one thing to need heat its another to poison people the most without telling them to do it. > > > so people in Pa and Phily are probably under the worse conditions > > possible in the US > > > with more chances from illness then anywhere in the country or close. > > I > > > think its tragic our kids are being exposed more then most and people > > > are getting sick faster and not told. Its beyond tragic its criminal. > > finally > > > the reason major media don't make this an issue is because they make > > > tons of money advertising meds and hospitals for those people in our > > > area and why tell you why you especially if they can make money > > directing you where to go after your poisoned? and employ people in healthcare.Yes > > > this conspiracy is that bad and people are that callous. What happend > > > to good values in the US anymore. Sure this might be happening all > > > over the world but we know more now. Why is our country not doing > > more > > > against violent crime and pollution especially from coal. Many say we > > have the technology to replace it now. We have thousands of > > people posting violent videos on the web. We have more people living in > > major > cities like Philly without jobs and who can't pay taxes. Over and over when people see Beach Boys video you remember a better time when people did the right things. Now no one trusts anyone to do the right things all they are are self centered bastards in this country. When > > > does truth and doing the right things matter, where are our > > > politicians? I didn't even get to violence. Finally I think sarah > > Pallin and George will are deadwrong about global warming. Global warming is a front and way to ignore global pollution 1,and 2 I think > > those that deny global warming are most republicans and oil interests and are deceiving us the > > most for old energy.- They can do more to mandate cleaner cars and energy now.sAve our families now
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