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Re: Delray Medical Center

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From: James Tonsager
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:57
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I have the feeling that what you posted is bs.


"www.ajmunn.com/cops/" <www.ajmunn.com@www.ajmunn.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> In Delray Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, there is Delray Medical
> Center (DMC).  I was told that:  if a patient on Medicare has a stroke and
is
> therefore in an
> intensive care unit (ICU), the hospital gets paid a flat
> fee for the diagnosis regardless of how long the patient remains in ICU.
>  This financial arrangement may partly explain something I recently saw
> and heard.
>
> A patient close to me had a stroke and was then admitted to an ICU of the
> hospital.
> Two doctors, each on a different day (two doctors, two days in a row, one
> doctor per day), urged, nagged, and harassed me to consent to his death
> (which I did not consent to).  They told me that he was a vegetable, that
> I was selfishly feeling good by doing everything I could to keep him alive
> although he was hopelessly in horrible pain (inconsistent with the
> vegetable metaphor, by the way), that he did not even know who he was,
> etc.  Let me tell you how the doctor-implored death was to be
> accomplished.
>
> Sooner or later, there would be some sort of medical emergency for the
> patient.  Then, withhold help.  Let him die.  For example, there was a
> plastic tube bringing oxygen-rich air through his mouth and trachea, into
> his lungs.  Sooner or later, it would be removed.  Suppose, after removing
> the tube, it immediately became obvious that he is dying for lack of air.
> Instead of doing something to save his life (by sticking the tube back in,
> for example), refuse to help him (hoping that the lack of help would
> kill).
>
> The two doctors (one of whom was certified in lungs and also in critical
> care, and whose name started with a "B" and had 2 syllabels I think) have
> a legal duty to save life and to heal.  I am not expert in criminal law.
> In light of the doctors' duty, the doctors' conduct (in addition to being
> repulsive) possibly might have been a homicide felony, I guess.
>
> If you do not want to be repeatedly badgered to collude in murder, Delray
> Medical Center's coronary ICU may not be for anyone you care about.
>
> ..............
>
> The patient knows well who he is, and has a sense of humor and
> intelligence.  He is annoyed by stupid questions.  If he is smarter than
> the doctors, then I guess that they are vegetables according to their
> definition of vegetable (although I do not advocate refusing to intervene
> if they have a medical emergency).
>
> .....
>
> You probably remember a Michigan doctor named Kevorkian (who sometimes
> helped some patients kill themselves if they repeatedly requested that
> help).  One of the arguments made against his conduct was:  even if his
> behavior is good, allowing his behavior would put us on a slippery slope
> that we should not be on (because it eventually would lead to many doctors
> and other medical personnel wrongly trying to manipulate people into
> death).  DMC has already slipped to that point on the slope.
>
> .....
>
> I have some notes and other records (showing doctor's names, dates and
> times of conversations, and other info) although I prepared this post
> without the notes.
>
>
> ...............
> ...............
>
>
> BTW, I observed male and female plainclothes security personnel inside the
> hospital and elsewhere.  If they were trying to hint to me that I should
> be aware of them, they succeeded.  If they did not want me to notice them,
> then they were pathetically incompetent.  I don't know if the security
> personnel I am referring to here were private security personnel or
> plainclothes cops.
>
> spamAJMspam
>
>
> .
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