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Article #316Re: Delray Medical Center
From: James Tonsager
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:57
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:57
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I have the feeling that what you posted is bs. "www.ajmunn.com/cops/" <www.ajmunn.com@www.ajmunn.com> wrote in message news:www.ajmunn.com-1105010756000001@zz.dialup.access.net... > > > In Delray Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, there is Delray Medical > Center (DMC). I was told that: if a patient on Medicare has a stroke and is > therefore in an > intensive care unit (ICU), the hospital gets paid a flat > fee for the diagnosis regardless of how long the patient remains in ICU. > This financial arrangement may partly explain something I recently saw > and heard. > > A patient close to me had a stroke and was then admitted to an ICU of the > hospital. > Two doctors, each on a different day (two doctors, two days in a row, one > doctor per day), urged, nagged, and harassed me to consent to his death > (which I did not consent to). They told me that he was a vegetable, that > I was selfishly feeling good by doing everything I could to keep him alive > although he was hopelessly in horrible pain (inconsistent with the > vegetable metaphor, by the way), that he did not even know who he was, > etc. Let me tell you how the doctor-implored death was to be > accomplished. > > Sooner or later, there would be some sort of medical emergency for the > patient. Then, withhold help. Let him die. For example, there was a > plastic tube bringing oxygen-rich air through his mouth and trachea, into > his lungs. Sooner or later, it would be removed. Suppose, after removing > the tube, it immediately became obvious that he is dying for lack of air. > Instead of doing something to save his life (by sticking the tube back in, > for example), refuse to help him (hoping that the lack of help would > kill). > > The two doctors (one of whom was certified in lungs and also in critical > care, and whose name started with a "B" and had 2 syllabels I think) have > a legal duty to save life and to heal. I am not expert in criminal law. > In light of the doctors' duty, the doctors' conduct (in addition to being > repulsive) possibly might have been a homicide felony, I guess. > > If you do not want to be repeatedly badgered to collude in murder, Delray > Medical Center's coronary ICU may not be for anyone you care about. > > .............. > > The patient knows well who he is, and has a sense of humor and > intelligence. He is annoyed by stupid questions. If he is smarter than > the doctors, then I guess that they are vegetables according to their > definition of vegetable (although I do not advocate refusing to intervene > if they have a medical emergency). > > ..... > > You probably remember a Michigan doctor named Kevorkian (who sometimes > helped some patients kill themselves if they repeatedly requested that > help). One of the arguments made against his conduct was: even if his > behavior is good, allowing his behavior would put us on a slippery slope > that we should not be on (because it eventually would lead to many doctors > and other medical personnel wrongly trying to manipulate people into > death). DMC has already slipped to that point on the slope. > > ..... > > I have some notes and other records (showing doctor's names, dates and > times of conversations, and other info) although I prepared this post > without the notes. > > > ............... > ............... > > > BTW, I observed male and female plainclothes security personnel inside the > hospital and elsewhere. If they were trying to hint to me that I should > be aware of them, they succeeded. If they did not want me to notice them, > then they were pathetically incompetent. I don't know if the security > personnel I am referring to here were private security personnel or > plainclothes cops. > > spamAJMspam > > > .
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