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d-moss@adfa.oz.au (David Moss) wrote :

>Peter Merel <pete@zip.com.au> wrote:

>>Iain seems to be cranky about David Moss's nitwit suggestion that any
>>kind of killing is equivalent to murder (Moss is also on record as
>>believing that "to assist" is "to cause" and "to allow" is "to
>>stipulate" - voluntary means involuntary to him). Unfortunately, Iain
>>seems to have tied himself up in knots on this - but others do not share
>>his confusion.

>Peter, unless you can produce some evidence to cack up your statement
>above you really only have two options at this point:

>1) admit you are mistaken about what I have said previously and
>apologise; or

>2) allow people to believe you lied deliberately, and never be
>completely trusted in the newsgroup again.

>Either way your credibility is shot to pieces with anyone who has been
>following the various euthanasia threads.

>David Moss,
>personal opinion only.
>try http://www.adfa.oz.au/~adm/politics for Australian Politics


Actually David, Peter is correct, except the bit about me
being confused.

You have continued to mislead on the nature of voluntary
euthanasia and the silly euthanasia = murder thread.

You continue to state that the people using the act were killed
by the doctor. Something you know is simply not true.
You know Mr Dent and Mrs Mills were not murdered. You know
they took their own lives, ie they killed themselves. But you
insist on using the killed = murdered interpretation here.

You are playing some childish semantics game, equating assist
with murder and refuse to acknowledge the facts.
I will admit this got me side tracked, but only out of
annoyance and the desire to give you the facts, and correct
your incorrect, and misleading use of the words euthanasia, killing 
and murder.

You introduced the comaprison to nazi murders, something you
know has nothing to do with voluntary euthanasia.

Peter has nothing to apologise for, but I guess he will tell you
that himself.

It is your credibility that has suffered here David, and that is why
I at least, can no longer take you seriously.


Iain.