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On Apr 29, 7:16 am, Zee <jonZ...@webtv.net> wrote:

> On Apr 29, 6:38 am, "Mark" <alln...@nospammindspring.com> wrote:> "Dario Western" <dariowest...@nospambigpond.com> wrote in message

> >news:xgvRj.5927$ko5.4426@news-

> > > Trent,

> > > Why did you post this message to a wrestling and Mormon newsgroup?  >

> > Why did YOU??

> because once evolving from a primate to a human being..;if that is
> possible....the first discovery is that the most hate that can be
> conjured up is a group of people or peer group that will not admit
> their evil....the evil itself is not unaceptable to the masses but the
> denial of it is unacceptable...ref...pastor wright and obama...the
> militant terrorist suicide bombers fighting for destruction of
> everyone but their kind.....stalin...hitler...etc.....does anyone
> think that hitler or stalin would ever repent....it is the
> unrelentling attitude of the nudist that is prevalent and their overt
> desires to aggress and force their nakedness on the rest of
> society....Dario is cut from the same cloth that Anna Nikki and i are
> cut from ..knowing that our beliefs are not popular and know exactly
> how the non naked feel and why....but you primates until you evolve
> and admit will never know.....jz


The Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, and Hari-Krishna beliefs are not popular,
but in a free world, they have a right to practice them.  Most non
Hari-Krishnas likely don't relish seeing the Hari Krishnas walking
down the street and chanting and doing their dance, but it is the Hari-
Krishna's Just right, and Just Freedom to do so.  Nakedness is not
being "forced" on anyone by merely walking down the street.  Unless
your person or property is violated (or endangered), nothing is being
forced on you, and you have a Just right to Freedom whether you
"jon_zee," and other Americans, and other people throughout the world
recognize it or not, you have a Just right to Freedom unless you are
violating (or endangering) someone's persons or property including
public property, or engaged in commerce, which given the exploitative
nature of which may Justly be regulated, though not prohibited,
through product bundling, quality controls, and advertising
regulations, and possibly though not surely other ways I have not
thought of.

Thus, you surely have the Just right to commit non-dangerous, non-
commercial acts in public.  This is Freedom.  The line may not be
drawn more strictly than this, or must we violate the principle of
Freedom entirely and may as well do away with it, leaving the future
to a single prevailing ideology and religion, limiting all speeches
and actions to those of the past, for certainly once something is
outlawed it would be extinct and nearly impossible to gain a majority
support for since they would not even be able to try or see or
practice it at all.  Save the argument I am presenting here, and such
is our current oppressed state.

The only thing I think about "Anna" is that perhaps she is denigrating
sex and promoting nonsexual nudity  in an attempt to protect nudism
from the anti-sex bigots and persecutors in this world.  I don't know
if such a tactic is well founded, but she seems maybe too much a voice
of the prejudice Nazi crowd to seriously be taking such a tactic.

Leave your dress and conduct codes to private property owners who may
eject any who violate them.  No country may be called free which could
require you to wear a Burka in public, but apparently that is a
possibility requiring only 50% of the voters in the United States (or
less than 50% as the minority of elected dictators can pass the law).
Thus we see, Democracy is merely a means of political change, and
Freedom from past governance, but that it is in no way an
establishment or ensurer of Freedom.  Freedom is a principle much more
important than Democracy, it is a principle to be both advanced in the
minds of the people of this planet, and established in the foundations
of any Just political system which governs them.  The United States is
one of the biggest human rights violators on the planet due to its
disregard for Freedom in areas of drugs, arms, and sex.  It has not
been the bastion of Freedom it was supposedly conceived to be.
American's Just rights and thus their prosperity, wealth, and
livelihood are violated all over the country - as cities may
apparently legally do thing such as ban the drinking of beer on the
beach - taking the common citizen's wealth and prosperity, and taxing
them to spend more money policing and jailing offenders.  Such is the
despotic state of the tyranny of our nation today.  As seen with the
drug war this vicious cycle increases true crime, undermines the
justice system, and leads to more lawlessness and criminal
lifestyles.  The USA puts more people in prison per capita than any
nation in the world besides China, and thinks to call itself free
compared to such fallen Communist Empires and Theocracies which may
respect neither free speech nor freedom of religion, nor the rights of
the accused - nor the right to acquire property, and may even force
people to work like slaves - though I'm not sure how things work/
worked in communist countries.  And of those rights, none at all are
protected by Democracy, they all are protected by the insufficient
Constitution (specifically the Bill of Rights) which requires 2/3rd's
of both houses of Congress and 3/4th's of all state's legislatures to
change, and neither does it protect your right to property as taxes
could be raised to 100% and the nation made Communist.  Allying
yourself with a lesser evil may make sense at times, but the truth is
you wish to see both evils fall or be corrected - we can only hope for
the nation's sake the latter comes to pass.

So the nation's not free, and to the extent it is free, it is not free
because of Democracy but because of the Bill of Rights.  Democracy
does not ensure Freedom, it is merely a means of political change.
Democracy is merely a means of freeing ourselves from the dictators
who ruled us in the past and electing new dictators without having to
resort to war.  The Bill of Rights ensures Freedom and is either not
recognized or not extensive enough.

There are 5 means of political change:

1. Free Speech - if it is allowed
2. Democracy - if your country has it
3. Civil Disobedience - if the penalties are not too harsh - sucks
nonetheless as you can be penalized
4. Targeted Assassinations
5. War - nearly always civil war

As you can see, Free Speech and Democracy are the most palatable.
Free Speech and Democracy allow us to change the government without
war by appealing to the rulers or replacing them.  The other three
methods cost lives but are sometimes necessary.

And those who violate minority freedom are prejudice evil lying
bigots, doing satanism and sin, jacking for nothing, taking people's
unalienable freedoms away.