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Neal Atkins (natkins@austin.rr.com) wrote:
: On 15 Jun 2001 00:16:50 GMT, Merlin Dorfman <dorfman@rahul.net> wrote:

: >: Yeah.  After building NO powerplants in the last 15 years, now
: >: suddenly FIFTEEN POWER PLANTS will be built in the next 2 years.  Gee,
: >: I wonder why that is?
: >
: >     Because the investment climate is better...more assurance
: >of good returns, less risk of low demand and low prices.

: Low demand?  Are a majority of the 33 million Kalifornicators living
: in tents and using candles for light?  And the only "demand" for low
: prices was the socialist "Gay" Davis threat to "confiscate" power
: plants.

     As I said...less risk of low demand.  Translation: pretty
sure to have high demand.  Get it now?

: >: Yeah.  "Gay" Davis is going to give you "warnings".  Uh, if he KNOWS
: >: there is going to be a blackout, WHY doesn't he FIX IT???   I don't
: >: think I'd be riding any elevators in Kalifornia for the next couple of
: >: years.
: >
: >     If I know there is going to be a shortage of power in ten
: >minutes, I can tell you about it.  I can't create electricity 
: >out if thin air.  Can you?  Would you rather not have the ten
: >minutes notics?  Sheesh.

: They are "guaranteeing" 24 hour notice.

     All I heard was 30-60 minutes.  Cite on 24 hours, please?
Actually, I can guarantee you 24 hours.  The only thing is, I
might not really need to cut you off.  Do you want to be cut
off if you have your 24 hours notice but it turns out that I
can continue to supply you?

: >: Well, there is going to be a test.  Only people with money or some
: >: smarts are going to be permitted to immigrate from Kalifornia.  You
: >: have to keep the fruits and nuts.
: >
: >     People with money and/or smarts are going to stay here,
: >certainly in preference to moving to Texas.

: good.  Can we send back the ones that have already moved here?

     If they went there, that's pretty good evidence...

: >: OK, just remember that when you have to bring your own bottle when you
: >: want wine.
: >
: >     We make the wine here.  If you want some, you are going to
: >have to ask us.  (Or use that inferior product from New Mexico.)

: Gee thanks.  But we'll pass.  We don't need anymore MD 20/20 or
: Thunderbird.  Texas has more award winning winerys than Kalifornia
: anyway.

     Cite, please?  (And let's not make it the Texas Chamber of
Commerce or the Texas Wineries Association.)  Come to think of
it, what were the awards for?  Highest alcohol content?  Taste
closest to Lone Star?

: >
: >: >: Yeah, you guys are doing a bang-up job.  Pretty soon there is going to
: >: >: be a dust bowl in reverse.  Millions of broke, desparate people with
: >: >: their meager goods lashed to their Camaros fleeing the bankrupt state.
: >: >
: >: >     We'll be happy to ship out the low-wage jobs.  The workers
: >: >will be able to afford housing, and the employers will be able
: >: >to afford the energy.  Sounds like a good deal all around.

: How much is a Big Mac now?  Or do you eat at the "big name"
: restaurants?  Will you do your own dishes?

     Not $27.50, I expect.  But I wouldn't be suprised if it
costs more than in Texas.

: >: Yeah.  I'm sure the guy that runs a big computer company is going to
: >: like it when HE has to cut the grass cuz all the "low-wage jobs" have
: >: left.  "Fries with that burger?  That'll be $27.50"
: >
: >     We already there.  Low-wage jobs pay a lot more dollars here
: >than in Texas, but the problem is that the dollars don't go
: >nearly as far.  We mitigate the problem by moving highy-energy and
: >low-skill jobs out as much as possible.   Aluminum smelting, for
: >instance.  You can't move them all out.  McDonalds and cutting the
: >grass, for instance.

: Oh, I don't know.  Our burger flippers get about $9 an hour to start.
: What do they get in the land of fruits and butts?

     If you can find somebody in the land of fruits and butts to
ask, go ahead.  I live in California.

: >: >: Just don't come to Texas.  We don't need anymore socialists than we
: >: >: already have.
: >: >
: >: >     I think all those socialists who own and work at the aluminum
: >: >smelters will be very happy in Texas.  And Texas is obviously happy
: >: >to have the pollution.

: Yeah, I heard the enviro-terrorists give a news conference today and
: say Kalifornia was the most polluted state in the country.  Just glad
: you'll have ethanol in your gas soon.  Can't do too much for the
: environment can you?

     Whichever enviro-terrorists those were, I guess we better
 believe everything they say.
     And we have polluting ethanol in the gas only because George
W. insists on it.

: >: Yeah.  As soon as you drive all of the industry out of Kalifornia and
: >: jobs and income, you can sit around and smoke dope and sing Kumbaya
: >: and hope someone else will take care of you.
: >
: >     Whoa, dude, I didn't say all the jobs--just the high-energy
: >and low-skill jobs.  We'll still design the integrated circuits
: >and the software, and you can pay us for that stuff and we'll pay
: >you for the aluminum and the oil and gas.  Sounds like free trade
: >and free enterprise triumph again.

: Yeah, my little town has Dell, AMD, Dupont Photomask, Tokyo, Applied
: Materials, Samsung, IBM and no telling how many thousands of suppliers
: to the majors.

     Clue: Dell does no design.  It buys components designed in
California (or Oregon).  AMD, Photomask, Applied Materials, etc.:
the manufacturing, which is mostly high-energy, and lower-skill
than engineering, is done out of state.  Suppliers: same thing.
The engineering is done in California and the manufacturing is
done where the cost of living is less.

: And yes, you WILL pay for the oil, gas and electricity or you will 
: SWEAT IN THE DARK!

     We'll pay for it, but the price manipulation will stop,
even with Bush, Cheney, and their buddies in the White House.
We'll pay for it by selling our high-tech products to Texas,
and by the returns from the Texas manufacturing plants of
California corporations like Intel, AMD, Applied Materials,
Hewlett-Packard, etc.