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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:18:51 GMT, MiKe <gamma@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

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>Obwon wrote:
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>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:06:17 +0100,
>> grub@internet.charitydays.co.uk wrote:
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>> >Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's Five Months
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>> >        "I can't tell you if the use of force in Iraq today will last five days,
>> >          five weeks or five months,  but it won't last any longer than that"
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>>   He was warned about the possibility of having a quagmire
>> on his hands and he pooh poohed it.  He was warned that the
>> attack would be a recruiting bonanza for the terrorists, now
>> he has that on his hands as well, only now he sees it
>> clearly.
>> 
>>   Bush seemed to say we could go it alone, without allies!
>> Obviously he was dead wrong!  But now that the deed has been
>> done, the allies he could have counted on, the ones who
>> tried to prevent this mess and reaped only his "freedom
>> fries" scorn, are the very ones he's courting to have them
>> help him carry the load.
>> 
>>   He has to be extremely careful now about whom he accepts
>> help from, unless I miss my guess, much of the world would
>> not mind him leaving office, and soon.  Some, I expect, are
>> already greasing the rails for his exit.  His "strength" has
>> turned out to be merely "pigheadedness", as such he's being
>> seen as a danger to the world.  Just ask our own Congress,
>> which seems to be awakening, the truth of the matter, once
>> concealed by the "infotainment news industry", is begining
>> to leak out.  Spin is begining to fail, people are peircing
>> the "veil" with their minds and slowly but surely learning
>> the truth.  We didn't need to do this war, there was no
>> threat of imminent attack, as BushCo has admitted, there
>> were no wmd's, as BushCo is slowly being dragged to
>> admitting, nor were there any connections with terrorist, as
>> BushCo tried to make it appear.
>> 
>>   Oh well!  What's done is done, isn't it?
>>   As Ming the Great and Terrible says:
>>  "Puny Earthling...  Who can save you now?"
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>And the Neo-Cons try to wave all the bungling, mismanagement,
>irresponsibility, and DEATH by saying "Aren't we better off without
>Saddam in power?"
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  And the answer is No!  We are not any better off without
Saddam in power!  Otherwise it would not be us doing more
killing than Saddam, let alone subjecting our troops to open
ended dangers while they attempt to restore peace, order and
infrastructure and are required to persue a social/cultural
change mission, all while dodging bullets and bombs.

  The missions our troops are faced with are at extreme odds
with their need to guard their own safety first.  This is
because errors must be made since there is little time to
assess any suspected enemy attacker and discern between same
and ordinary, peaceful citizens, engaged in lawful (if
"bizarre" to us) conduct dictated by a culture and/or social
system they don't clearly understand.

  The problem is that each accidental killing, each mistaken
decision, each unfortunate peice of rhetoric, accrues to
increase the level of danger present by driving those harmed
into the arms of our troops detractors.  Almost guaranteeing
a prolongation of a spiral of violence that cannot help the
restoration of order, no less the "sale" of democracy among
other things.

  The fact of the matter is that these people are only at
the very dawn of gaining the kind of enlightenment needed to
discriminate between the emotional, the patriotic, the
religiously dogmatic, the traditional, the socially or
culturally acceptable and the rational, proveable, logical,
scientific etc.  So it takes very little to make them put
critical thinking aside and fall victim to the enemies of
order and/or outsiders, most especially those outsiders who
practice a different religion and hold to different customes
than they do.

  Maybe the culture and all can be changed, but it won't
happen overnight if at all.  Probably 10 to 20 years are
needed under the best of circumstances and these are clearly
not the best!

  So, had Saddam remained in power many of our own soldiers
would be alive now!  Many more Iraqi's would be alive now
and there'd be less animousity around to drive our enemies!
We'd also have our allies working with us and that clear
unity, as well as the strong appearance of adhereance to
U.N./International Law, would go along way towards heading
off any reach towards nuclear proliferation.  Since N.P.
hold the promise of levels of distruction against which the
improprieties of Saddams terrible rule would pale.

  Obwon