🚀 go-pugleaf

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:41:18 +0000 (UTC), pack@eos.ucar.edu (Daniel
Packman) wrote:

>In article <lajohvcmg60ka57clhuclo2sdtiv5ghk4o@4ax.com>,
>Uncle Samuel  <stars@bars> wrote:
>
>>He had no idea it was 'lie" you idjit!
>
>There is an ongoing (over the last 30 years at least)
>problem with intelligence finding its way from the
>field to the top. There is a middle-management syndrome
>that tends to give the president the information he wants,
>not necessarily the information he needs. We saw this
>in action when the Shah was deposed leaving many here
>totally surprised.
>
>It seems that this administration is at least as bad as
>previous ones in creating this poor intelligence environment.

It actually came down to if he read and values the footnotes more than
the full text of the report.

Soddem got what he deserved - regardless of whether they found him in
bed with Arafat with a Chinese bottle rocket up his puckered bathist
butt-hole!

>....
>>Did he lie when he said he wanted Soddem out?
>
>Of course not. He said this before he took office.

Thank you.

>>Did he lie when he said the guy was teror sponsor?
>
>Not a simple answer. The connection to Al Qaida is questionable.

Nope, they were in northern Iraq and he gave them an airliner fuselage
to play terror training with.

>Intelligence answers are often subject to interpretation. In this
>case, one needed a careful analysis of just how much a terror
>sponsor he was. It is difficult to make such an analysis in the
>face of clear administration expectations.

So how much was this payment worth?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,48822,00.html

Saddam Hussein is paying $25,000 to the relatives of Palestinian
suicide bombers  a $15,000 raise much welcomed by the bombers'
families. 

Is that careful enough?

>>Did he lie when he said the guy was trying to restart his weapons
>>program?
>
>Perhaps. Evidence of such programs is limited at best.

I think buried back yard centrifuges are pretty normal...

I think it's normal to buy long range cannons from Krauts, don't you?


>>Did he lie about the UN violations?
>
>Saddam was clearly in violation of the full disclosure
>that was required, but his bluster may have been hiding nothing.

So he's guilty of playing international poker and being called?

Oh well.

Screw him.

http://www.exportcontrols.org/centpart3.html

"In the early 1990s, Karl Heinz Schaab was investigated for violating
export control laws. He was convicted of illegally exporting
centrifuge rotors to Iraq in 1993, a minor conviction at the time. In
late 1995, after receiving new information about Schaab's activities
with Iraq, the German government re-opened its criminal investigation
of him.

Following the defection of Hussein Kamel in August 1995, Iraq decided
to reveal extensive information about its entire nuclear weapons
program. A key new revelation was the extent of assistance by Schaab
and his colleagues. When the senior Iraqi gas centrifuge expert, Adel,
was asked why Iraq decided to reveal so much new information about
Schaab, he explained that he thought Schaab was in jail and already
exposed. Some Germans who knew Adel have questioned his reason,
believing instead that Adel was ordered by top Iraqi leadership to
expose Schaab. Adel and the other members of the Iraqi gas centrifuge
program had been highly committed to protecting their German sources
of assistance....

Iraq acquired, and still possesses, a remarkable amount of classified
and sensitive information about gas centrifuges. It gained
considerable experience in gas centrifuges and has had over a decade
to ponder its weaknesses and strengths.

Iraq poses a risk in that its centrifuge information could pass to
irresponsible agents or other nations, some of which may be seeking
nuclear weapons. Even advanced nations would find Iraq's centrifuge
information useful to their civil nuclear programs. Few countries have
information about 3-meter Urenco centrifuges.

The most frightening risk is that Iraq will reconstitute its
centrifuge program to make highly enriched uranium for nuclear
weapons. It would find reconstitution relatively easy to do, although
its chances of success would depend on foreign procurement and
international intervention."