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tracey12@swbell.net wrote:
> Craig K. Gowens (Commissioner of the SWC) wrote:
> (wrote a bunch of liberal BS)

Funny how you never actually respond to any specific point I make. Maybe
because you can't defend your stance against my evidence.
 

> Liberals like yourself often push for government programs rather than
> face the real cause of a problem. 

You have things in reverse. More often liberals look for the root of 
the problem to stop it there. A joke made by a former history professor
of mine on solutions to crime illustrates my point. He stated how Democrats
try to stop the social conditions that cause crime to occur and  Republicans,
they just want to lock everybody up.

> To a liberal, government is almost
> always the answer.  If only liberals would "Legalize Freedom".

Who is the group trying to limt the rights of women and minorities?

> Affirmative Action is immoral at best, but probably illegal because it
> favors one race over another.  

Affirmative action, when used correctly, balances out the races when 
whites try to give preference to other whites over minorities. I will 
say affirmative action has extended far beyond its original intent
and should be scaled back, but should not be done away with.

>The root problem is that liberals believe
> a certain percentage of minorities should be present in our
> universities, 

I oppose quotas. 

> however, these same liberals never stop to consider the
> real reasons behind the low levels of  minority students in our
> schools. 

No, the reasons behind the low levels of minority students in our schools
is the reason affirmative action is in place to begin with.
 
> Failing inner city schools must take some of the blame.  But, why are
> these schoools failing? 

Look at the differentials in funding to start. Ever heard of Edgewood vs Kirby?

> Are the students being insturcted in subjects
> that will prepare them for college?  

Are you advocating the institution of national standards for subject matter 
to be taught? Maybe you aren't so conservative after all. That's something
many liberals such as myself are in favor of.

> What about their family life?
> Do they have a very concerned parent at home? Do they have both parents
> at home? 

Parents are crucial to children getting an adequate education, but if both
parents have to work to make ends meet, that leaves little time for their
children. Many liberals support programs that would help these parents. 
Many conservatives don't since that costs the government money.

> A home with dedicated parents is the best environment for any
> child. 

I agree as should most people.

> Liberalism often trys to replace parents with government
> programs, but this never works.  

No they try to give parents more oppurtunities to be involved with their
children's education. 

> Students need and require a solid
> family sturcture where there is at least one very concerned parent
> helping the child all along the way.  There are exceptions to this rule,
> but in general, children must be brought up properly if we expect them
> to function properly. 

You are drifting away from the issue.

> Government programs and hired hands are no
> substitute for a warm, caring family environment where education is
> given high priority.  

Then what is your solution to the problem of lower and middle class families 
needing two incomes to just survive while the affluent (with all their tax
breaks) can afford to only have one person working.

> Clearly, liberals like yourself are out of touch
> with reality when you use terms like racism to describe the reason why
> so few minority students attend college, or post graduate programs.

Um, I come from an area of Texas where I AM in the minority. I am quite
verse in the educational problems of this country. I've considered entering
the teaching profession. I've been to conferences discussing the problems
and potential solutions to the problems in our education system. Perhaps the
more famous of these conferences was the Education 2000 Conferences
held across the country from 1992-93. 

> This is but one more example of how liberals like to divert blame. 

No, diverting blame solves nothing. That is why reform is needed. But in the
mean time, we cannot allow higher education to continue to use racist
admission standards while we fix what's wrong with our public education
system.

> Rather than hold the student or the parents at fault, blame is shifted
> off onto another race. 

No. Who is blaming the white students not admitted? Not I. It isn't their
fault that at one time racism and segreation caused many minorities to
get a second class education. It is our responsibility to rectify the problem.
Not doing so only causes it to persist. Many throw up barriers to changes
that would recitify the problems. Other stir up trouble only making things
worse. Books like  "The Bell Curve" use misleading statistics to come to 
conclusions that blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites because
of their IQ differentials, yet fail to consider the fact that blacks have been
held back educationally in this country due to segregation, lower school
funding, stereotyping, etc. 

> If you're going to hand me a list of social
> causes, don't until you explain to me why asian students who come here
> from a totally different country and culture can accomplish what native
> minority students seemingly cannot.

Please explain when asians (WWII intermine camps aside) were treated
like blacks and hispanics have been. Explain when there was systematic,
rampant discrimination against them. See the difference.


Craig K. Gowens
 Hook'em Horns


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"I feel a little sleazy about [stalling the game to reach the 4:00 
curfew], but it helps to be prideless in that situation."
   --Augie Garrido, after Texas beat LSU in a curfew shortened game

"Quit calling it 'stalling' and call it 'time mangement' as it is
known in football and basketball, and glorify the coach who can use
it to his team's advantage."
   --"Ballgirl", fellow Texas Baseball nut and frequent poster on
     gobig12.com BBS, commenting on Garrido's "stalling" vs LSU