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Douglas K Long wrote in message <6fcktj$luh$1@news.uta.edu>...
>Tracey Levin (tracey12@swbell.net) wrote:
>
>
>: Douglas K Long wrote:
>
>: > Erik (dr.feinstein@DELETETHIS.mail.utexas.edu) wrote:
>: > : On 25 Mar 1998 07:18:02 GMT, DKL8321@utarlg.uta.edu (Douglas K Long)
wrote:
>: >
>: > : >     And in the case of illegal immigration, especially from Mexico,
>: > : >     tolerence could be this country's fatal flaw.  Thus far,
>: > : >     tolerence has been a financial burden, and increasingly, a
>: > : >     social burden.
>: >
>: > : They generally haven't. Get your facts in order. Most illegals are
employed [pay
>: > : payroll taxes], buy things [pay sales taxes], and rent housing
somewhere or
>: > : another [their landlords pay property taxes]. Sounds a lot like your
average
>: > : citizen's tax burden, doesn't it? They do all that, and they take the
"lowest
>: > : rung" jobs that most citizens sneer at - like roofing, yardwork, and
street
>: > : work.
>: >
>: >         Many illegals are paid under the table.  Many live communally;
>: >         that is, five to ten to an apartment - thus undercutting
property
>: >         taxes.  And the jobs they take used to be done by Americans,
many
>: >         of them young people earning a few bucks in high school or
college
>: >         and learning about work.  Illegals are no bargain, except to
those
>: >         who employ them.
>
>: Douglas, I just want to thank you for posting such informative
messages.They really
>: are interesting to read.
>: Thanks again.
>
> I appreciate your interest.  Lots of people ignore the issue or
> view Mexican immigrants as underdogs worthy of sympathy, and
> some might be just that.  Yet what they flee by leaving Mexico
> are conditions created by Mexican culture and they are carriers
> of that culture.  If only a few thousand per year arrived in the
> USA and dispersed themselves around the country, then they would
> have little effect.  But as they arrive by the hundreds of
> thousands per year, and have done so for decades, their influence
> is unavoidable and unconstructive.  And given the population
> explosion in Mexico, the influx will continue, unless the
> US government fulfills its Constitutional duty to enforce
> the law at the border.  If the government continues to neglect
> its duty, then Texas, California and other states will more and
> more become approximations of Mexico.  If Mexico were Switzerland
> or Japan or some other progressive, workable place, then we might
> enjoy an improvement.  Unfortunately, we're dealing with Mexico ...


Douglas - that was probably the best post so far on the issue, and it
changed a few of my "ideas" on "Free-ness and Fairness for all..." - You are
right. It is not up to us (me) to feel "sorry" for the conditions that the
people in Mexico have to live in and deal with - that is entirely up to the
Mexican government and the people themselves to fight/elect/vote (?) for
change in. They need to evaluate their structure - in jobs, housing,
education... and stop making it so that their own people NEED to leave in
order to better their families... The part about "them" taking the lower
jobs away from "our" young" people hit home, I guess, and it does make
sense. I still think the issue needs some compassion on what "they" as
people are facing... I can not honestly say what even I would do if I had to
watch my children go hungry because I had no work/income to provide for
them. I can not honestly say HOW I would go about trying to get them/me to a
better place where they CAN prosper. Try to play the "transference" game and
put myself/yourself in their place - and even if I became heavily active in
my government as a Mexican citizen - which could take years of planning and
reform - my children would still need to eat. They are stuck in a very bad
situation. Maybe we as American citizens need to push our people to help
fight for their own reformation and thus take the burden of their "need to
escape" off of OUR backs. By simply "patrolling" and other evasive actions,
we turns our backs on them and offer no alternative chioces for them to
become more stable and sound "people" - keyword... Have a great day! Lisa