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"Tracey-Levin" <tracey12@hotbot.com> wrote in message
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>
> Shelby,
>
>
>    Just a few questions for you:
>
> 1. Have you ever watched an abortion being performed, and did you get to
see the
> product of the abortion i.e. the bag containing the torn body of the
infant
> inside the vacuum jar?
>

Yes... I've seen the procedure performed on an early third trimester
pregnancy and it is not something that I care to ever witness again in my
lifetime.

> I've seen two, and I promise you that when the baby's head, arms and legs
are
> laid out before you on a table, your opinion of abortion will
change-unless you
> happen to be an incredibly hard hearted person.
>

I'm afraid that you are still missing my point.  I believe a woman's right
to control her own reproductive processes outweighs the rights of a
developing fetus... regardless of my feelings about abortion in general.
You are in error to believe that just because someone doesn't react as
violently as you did must make them hard hearted.

> 2. At what point, in your opinion, does an unborn baby become "human" and,
> therefore, covered by US law?
>

My opinion is irrelevant as US laws are quite specific about constitutional
protections afforded to developing fetuses.  You can't have a
"one-size-fits-all" law as each situation would have to be considered
individually to see how the law applies.

US laws protect the right of a woman to carry a pregnancy to term and impose
penalties on those that would interfere with those rights.  A typical
example of this would be an assault victim that miscarries could expect that
the individual that assualted her could face charges of manslaughter.

On the other hand, US laws also protect a woman's right to terminate an
unwanted pregnancy.

> 3. What are the justifiable reasons for killing an unborn baby, in your
opinion.
>

In my opinion -- very few reasons which I will not bore you by enumerating.
However, I believe a woman has the right to control her reproductive
processes and they supercede the rights of a developing fetus... so my
opinion about the morally justifiable reasons for terminating a pregnancy
are and will always be irrelevant.

> 4. Do you believe that women should be prosecuted for harming their unborn
> infants with illegal drugs?  Many women have been prosecuted for this
reason.
>

You can't answer such a broad question with a yes or no.

Tracey with all due respect to you and especially these newsgroups I feel
that this discussion has progressed far enough and should be ended as it
will simply go on forever.  I respect your beliefs and I understand why you
believe the way you do.

I've had this conversation with a hundred people like yourself and neither
your views nor my views will ever be swayed by simple discourse.  If we both
believed in a central core system basic human rights then perhaps one of us
could out argue and persaude the other that they are wrong.  However, that
can never happen as we both firmly believe in fundamentally different
systems of basic human rights.

Regards,

Shelby Cain