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Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:43
Congress to TSA: Arm More Pilots or Suffer Consequences
Author: Anonymouse
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:43
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:43
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Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
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Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
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Tuesday, April 6, 2004
Gun Owners of America alerted you in January to legislation that
would soon be introduced by two pro-gun legislators, Senator Jim
Bunning (R) of Kentucky and Rep. Joe Wilson (R) of South Carolina.
Last week, both legislators announced the introduction of their
bills at a press conference that was attended by GOA and several
pilot organizations.
"These pilots are the last line of defense against hijackings," Sen.
Bunning said. "They very well may be the only thing that stops the
Air Force from having to shoot down a plane full of passengers."
Both S. 2268 and H.R. 4126 are entitled the "Cockpit Security
Technical Corrections and Improvements Act of 2004" (or "Cockpit
Security Act" for short). This legislation would require that 90%
of all pilot/applicants be trained and certified within six months
of passage. This short time frame will put pressure on the
Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to encourage training
by private facilities -- a measure which has been consistently
resisted by the TSA.
The TSA has set up numerous roadblocks that have severely restricted
the number of pilots who can carry firearms. Initially, the
administration certified fewer than 100 pilots. Many applicants
were "flunked" because they expressed reservations about TSA policy,
and elaborate and redundant physical and psychological exams were
used to deter pilots who had already been certified to fly planes
containing hundreds of passengers.
Only one training facility was authorized by the TSA at a remote
site in New Mexico, making it needlessly inconvenient for most
pilots to participate.
According to an explosive news story by CNSNEWS.COM, when pilots
began to complain to the Congress and the media about problems with
the program, they were threatened with fines and dismissal from the
program.
The TSA also implemented an absurd "lock-box" requirement, which
forces a pilot to carry his firearm outside his person until the
flight deck door is sealed. Pilots who are "deadheading" must place
their lock boxes in the cargo area. This has led to firearms being
lost, mishandled or stolen.
One pilot with years of federal law enforcement experience told a
reporter that, "Pilots go down [to the cargo hold] to get the gun
and the baggage handlers have already been in the belly... and the
gun is on its way to baggage claim. The [pilots] then have to get
back up into the airplane, go down out of the terminal, down to
baggage claim and hopefully find their gun on the carousel."
The Bunning-Wilson bills will require that pilots carry their
firearms when they deboard their planes -- repealing the awkward
"lock-box" procedure and putting thousands of additional certified
law enforcement officers on the streets of America�s major cities.
"Tens of thousands of armed pilots are a real deterrent and
defense," Sen. Bunning stated. "A few thousand are not."
This would be the third time that Congress has passed bills forcing
the TSA to implement an armed pilots program. "[The TSA will] get
the message or they'll lose their money for the program," Bunning
added. "We'll put it somewhere where it will get the job done."
The current bills also allow for pilots with military or law
enforcement experience and proof of firearms proficiency to be
deputized immediately.
Opponents of this legislation hate the fact that average citizens
(that is, pilots who may or may not have law enforcement training)
are being allowed to carry firearms on planes. This is pro-gun
legislation that advances freedom in the right direction.
ACTION: Please ask your Representative and Senators to cosponsor
this legislation. You can contact your legislators by visiting the
Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send them a pre-written
e-mail message.
----- Pre-written message -----
Dear
Now that Senator Jim Bunning and Rep. Joe Wilson have introduced the
Cockpit Security Act, I encourage you to add your name as a
cosponsor to this legislation if you have not already done so.
Among other things, this legislation would require that 90% of all
pilot/applicants be trained and certified within six months of
passage.
I find it absurd that our planes are still undefended for the most
part, even though Al Qaeda has continued to issue threats against
our safety.
It is very important that our airplanes be adequately defended, so I
urge you to add your name as a cosponsor to this bill. Please let
me know what you intend to do. Thank you.
Sincerely,
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Re: Congress to TSA: Arm More Pilots or Suffer Consequences
Author: Boston Blackie
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:12
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:12
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In article <4072b26e$1_3@news.utk.edu>, Anonymouse <anybody@nowhere.com> wrote: > The Bunning-Wilson bills will require that pilots carry their > firearms when they deboard their planes -- repealing the awkward > "lock-box" procedure and putting thousands of additional certified > law enforcement officers on the streets of America�s major cities. > > "Tens of thousands of armed pilots are a real deterrent and > defense," Sen. Bunning stated. "A few thousand are not." Seems to me there's a profound difference between an armed airline pilot and a "certified law enforcement officer."
Re: Congress to TSA: Arm More Pilots or Suffer Consequences
Author: Anonymouse
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:26
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:26
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after their federally conducted training they're Air Marshalls and can
legally carry across state lines... that is to say they're Federal Agents.
Boston Blackie wrote:
> In article <4072b26e$1_3@news.utk.edu>,
> Anonymouse <anybody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The Bunning-Wilson bills will require that pilots carry their
>>firearms when they deboard their planes -- repealing the awkward
>>"lock-box" procedure and putting thousands of additional certified
>>law enforcement officers on the streets of America�s major cities.
>>
>>"Tens of thousands of armed pilots are a real deterrent and
>>defense," Sen. Bunning stated. "A few thousand are not."
>
>
> Seems to me there's a profound difference between an armed airline pilot
> and a "certified law enforcement officer."
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Re: Congress to TSA: Arm More Pilots or Suffer Consequences
Author: Boston Blackie
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:35
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:35
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In article <407310e5$1_1@news.utk.edu>, Anonymouse <anybody@nowhere.com> wrote: > after their federally conducted training they're Air Marshalls and can > legally carry across state lines... that is to say they're Federal Agents. As in "Ruby Ridge?"
Re: Congress to TSA: Arm More Pilots or Suffer Consequences
Author: Anonymouse
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:55
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 02:55
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at Ruby Ridge they had a paid assassin that shot an unarmed woman in the head while holding her baby. the same guy was also one of the shooters near waco where the fbi "hostage rescue team" burned/gassed/shot almost 90 people to death in their church buildings over, if you believe the government's number, approximately 110$/per person killed in excise taxes. actually I trust the pilots pretty much. at least a lot of them used to be ex USAF... where else you going to get enough time flying large multiengine jet aircraft after all. they just want to deliver their cargo and get home to see the wife and kids. Boston Blackie wrote: >>after their federally conducted training they're Air Marshalls and can >>legally carry across state lines... that is to say they're Federal Agents. > > > As in "Ruby Ridge?" -- To live outside the law, you must be honest... (Absolutely Sweet Marie - Blonde on Blonde - 1966)
Re: Congress to TSA: Arm More Pilots or Suffer Consequences
Author: Jeffrey E. Salzberg
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:08
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 11:08
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In article <QmJdc.1529$ci4.954@fe1.columbus.rr.com>, nobody@nowhere.com says... > the same guy was also one of the shooters near waco where the fbi > "hostage rescue team" burned/gassed/shot almost 90 people I'm sure you meant to say, "where 90 wackos set themselves on fire and committed suicide." HTH
Re: Congress to TSA: Arm More Pilots or Suffer Consequences
Author: Perfesser White
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:41
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:41
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In article <MPG.1ae19faa21f32de4989685@news.comcast.giganews.com>,
spammersmustdie@volcanomail.com (Jeffrey E. Salzberg) wrote:
> In article <QmJdc.1529$ci4.954@fe1.columbus.rr.com>, nobody@nowhere.com
> says...
>
> > the same guy was also one of the shooters near waco where the fbi
> > "hostage rescue team" burned/gassed/shot almost 90 people
>
> I'm sure you meant to say, "where 90 wackos set themselves on fire and
> committed suicide."
>
> HTH
I'm sure you believe that, Jeffrey.
Perfesser White
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