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In article <DBy35w.Kuq.0.queen@torfree.net> ab330@torfree.net (Bob Allisat) writes:
>From: ab330@torfree.net (Bob Allisat)
>Subject: FreeNet Threats
>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 04:01:07 GMT

>        Today I received a threat from the       Send
>        Toronto FreeNet that my "Membership"     it to
>        would be "reviewed" if I continued       the Moon
>        "improperly" cross posting articles.     too
>                                                 and to
>        I will continue to send my work to       the Sun
>        *any* NewsGroup I deem appropriate.      too
>        I will continue to disregard all         and to
>        criticisms and negative comments.        Pluto
>                                                 too
>        These boys don't like poetry? Tough      and to
>        shit.                                    Planet X
>                                                 too
>        Bob Allisat                              where ever
>                                                 I want.

oh dear ... how sad ... never mind. (pronounced JOY !!)

Bruce

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In article <drahcirrDBz15o.HJ6@netcom.com>,
drahcirr@netcom.com (Rich Gibson) was heard to utter:
> Jason Smith (pax@passport.ca) wrote:
> : Bob Allisat's sandbox shitting at its finest. "*I* will send *my* poems
> : where *I* want to and will not listen to *your* objections."  A perfectly
> : wonderful attitude for a medium most rightly called "the world's biggest
> : exercise in cooperation" -- not!
> 
> : He doesn't care about New Zealanders, Australians or anyone else.  He
> : claims to love Gaia.  He's definately big on doing what he wants.  Don't
> : we call that an ego problem?
> 
> Who gives a shit if he has an ego problem.  You apparantly have an ego 
> problem as well.  The question is whether the Freenet choosing to enforce 
> possibly arbitrary standards of netiquitte is censorship.
> 
> Well, is it?

Rich,

Does this mean that if I spam over and over, then I should not have my
account pulled? After all, all the rules of netiquette are "arbitrary." The
whole purpose of the 'net is to get information out to people who want to
read it, and to engage in "meaningful" discussion. The problem with Bob
(and I only know him from these postings, so it's a limited opinion) is
that he is sending to newsgroups where the people don't want to hear his
message, and are not the proper forum for his work. I have no problem with
his poetry (although I find it a bit too "modern" for me taste), just his
method of propagating it.

Mark [not looking for an argument, looking to end one] Weinstock



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> Rich Gibson drahcirr@netcom.com                      [\] PADI DM Candidate
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> If you can't trust me with a choice, how can you trust me with an Hawaiian 
> pizza?


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Bruce Sinclair (SINCLAIRB@agresearch.cri.nz) wrote:
> >        Today I received a threat from the       Send
> >        Toronto FreeNet that my "Membership"     it to
> >        would be "reviewed" if I continued       the Moon
> >        "improperly" cross posting articles.     too
> >              ...                                ...
> >                                                 too
> >        Bob Allisat                              where ever
> >                                                 I want.

> oh dear ... how sad ... never mind. (pronounced JOY !!)

> Bruce

Yes it is sad, because it confirms the fears of many of us that 
internet is dominated (and controlled it would seem) by that tiresome
kind of person who is so often found around computers: the control
freak. 

As Terry Morrissey pointed out (though he wasn't defending Bob) in 
his response to the gentleman who complained about stolen time, most 
of the space on these threads is taken up by people bitching about 
Allisat's alledged abuses. There seems to be this element that 
has a deep spiritual need to point out and enforce the rules of 
so called netiquette. Considering that these customs were established 
when USENET was dominated by computer professionals and university 
students/faculty, is it surprising that they are challenged now that
other members of society (hopefully) post messages?

As for abuse, what is appropriate for a group called placename.general?
Surely whoever creates a group with general in its name has to expect posts
on a variety of subjects in a variety of formats (Personally I think
verse is the superior form for USENET and email communication - concise,
compact etc., but I'm too lazy to try to write that way).

Here, for all of you who so love to appeal to a higher authority 
(now, isn't this tiresome?) is the Oxford English Dictionary definition
for 'general'. 

general-completely or almost universal; including or affecting 
	all or nearly all parts or cases or things; not partial,
	particular, local, or sectional.

In my area we get Bob's stuff under ns.general. Now, anyone who has
walked the countryside of Nova Scotia ought to agree that this 
province is very much about poetry, if you take my meaning. Of course,
looked at this way, I can understand the complaint about posting 
poetry to tor.general.

					Happy Camping
					Mike Small

In article <1995Jul20.231654.23432@newton.ccs.tuns.ca>,
smallmm@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Michael Morton Small) wrote:

> 
> Yes it is sad, because it confirms the fears of many of us that 
> internet is dominated (and controlled it would seem) by that tiresome
> kind of person who is so often found around computers: the control
> freak. 
> 

Bollocks!  Anytime a business person or organization kicks up a fuss about
the extra time consumed by having Bob as a customer, it's a control
issue.  Maybe you should have a good long read over his litany of posts. 
Better yet, give old Bob an account on your system and see how much fun it
is!

If anyone has a control issue, it's the rabble around here who think that
an independent business can't stop business relations with a client who is
an incremental liability -- because of a non-existant motivation of
"censorship".

> 
> In my area we get Bob's stuff under ns.general. Now, anyone who has
> walked the countryside of Nova Scotia ought to agree that this 
> province is very much about poetry, if you take my meaning. Of course,
> looked at this way, I can understand the complaint about posting 
> poetry to tor.general.
> 

(Pathetic Toronto slag ignored.)

The issue with Bob is not his poetry, much of which is quite fun.  It's
his shit-in-the-sandbox attitude.  If you look at his remarks, you'll see
it quite quickly.  His disregard for others when it comes to his own
underdeveloped and incomplete agenda is the source of the fuss.

In article <1995Jul20.231654.23432@newton.ccs.tuns.ca> smallmm@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Michael Morton Small) writes:
>
>general-completely or almost universal; including or affecting 
>	all or nearly all parts or cases or things; not partial,
>	particular, local, or sectional.
>
>In my area we get Bob's stuff under ns.general. Now, anyone who has
>walked the countryside of Nova Scotia ought to agree that this 
>province is very much about poetry, if you take my meaning. Of course,
>looked at this way, I can understand the complaint about posting 
>poetry to tor.general.

Actually, <x>.general is meant for *informational* postings that
apply to the geographical area <x>.  These newsgroups were probably
misnamed....they should have been <x>.info.  The custom is there,
the literal name is just skewed.

The whole thing is very silly, anyway, because if Bob really wanted
people to read his stuff, he'd post it where it is wanted.  Since
(almost) no one wants it here, and (almost) no one reads it, one can
only assume that Bob enjoys irritating others.

Daniel Zappala
daniel@isi.edu

In article <pax-2007952047560001@dial027.passport.ca>, pax@passport.ca (Jason Smith) says:

>The issue with Bob is not his poetry, much of which is quite fun.  It's
>his shit-in-the-sandbox attitude.  If you look at his remarks, you'll see
>it quite quickly.  His disregard for others when it comes to his own
>underdeveloped and incomplete agenda is the source of the fuss.

But I notice you never responded to the article's point that 'general' means
(in my words) 'pretty much everything.'  Is this because you don't have a 
valid point ot make regarding that?

Trevor

In article <3ur6tc$lmt@stud.Direct.CA> twilson@Direct.CA (Trikky T.) writes:

>But I notice you never responded to the article's point that 'general' means
>(in my words) 'pretty much everything.'  Is this because you don't have a 
>valid point ot make regarding that?

THIS group is not called "general" - it's called "bc.general".  Bad poetry 
from Toronto does not belong here - it belongs either in a toronto.* group or 
a poetry.*  group

ab330@torfree.net (Bob Allisat) writes:

>         Today I received a threat from the       Send
>         Toronto FreeNet that my "Membership"     it to
>         would be "reviewed" if I continued       the Moon
>         "improperly" cross posting articles.     too

Good for the FreeNet crowd!

>         I will continue to send my work to       the Sun
>         *any* NewsGroup I deem appropriate.      too

And you will continue to be cut off by people who have half a brain.

I deem *that* appropriate.

>         I will continue to disregard all         and to
>         criticisms and negative comments.        Pluto
>                                                  too
>         These boys don't like poetry? Tough      and to
>         shit.                                    Planet X

You don't like being cut off?  Tough shit.

-- 
        Geoffrey Welsh, Senior Programmer, InSystems Technologies Inc.
        geoff@zswamp.uucp, [xenitec.on.ca|m2xenix.psg.com]!zswamp!geoff
       We can only hope that people will outgrow the need for government
      before the government finishes outgrowing the need for the people.

In article <DBy35w.Kuq.0.queen@torfree.net>, ab330@torfree.net (Bob
Allisat) wrote:

>         Today I received a threat from the       Send
>         Toronto FreeNet that my "Membership"     it to
>         would be "reviewed" if I continued       the Moon
>         "improperly" cross posting articles.     too
>                                                  and to
>         I will continue to send my work to       the Sun
>         *any* NewsGroup I deem appropriate.      too
>         I will continue to disregard all         and to
>         criticisms and negative comments.        Pluto
>                                                  too
>         These boys don't like poetry? Tough      and to
>         shit.                                    Planet X
>                                                  too
>         Bob Allisat                              where ever
>                                                  I want.

   Well,boB,I must say you take a pounding better than anyone else.I've
watched your postings escalate  to their present level and am amazed you
havent got toasted yet.To all the idiots around the world that think they
should flame boB because of Netiquette I say Fuck You.boB is ay least
real.Most of you are Slugs.
      
      Bob Richards *~*~*~    bob@inforamp.net   [][][][]  
                   @@@@@@@@                     %%%%%%%%   
                   ()()()()  Digital Cave Art   =/=/=/=/ 

In article <DBy35w.Kuq.0.queen@torfree.net>,
Bob Allisat <ab330@torfree.net> wrote:
>
>        Today I received a threat from the      
...
[whoever]

Anybody here remember Keegan [of nyx.misc fame]?  Anyways, this one looks 
like a great replacement, and has all the essentials: persistent; 
irrelevant; whining; bizarre; irritating.

Well, boys and girls, looks like it's time to brush up on those 
killfiling skills...

Joseph

-- 
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In article <bob-2307950013500001@ts4-04.inforamp.net>,
   bob@inforamp.net (Bob Richards) wrote:
>In article <DBy35w.Kuq.0.queen@torfree.net>, ab330@torfree.net (Bob
>Allisat) wrote:
>

>   Well,boB,I must say you take a pounding better than anyone else.I've
>watched your postings escalate  to their present level and am amazed you
>havent got toasted yet.To all the idiots around the world that think they
>should flame boB because of Netiquette I say Fuck You.boB is ay least
>real.Most of you are Slugs.
>      
>      Bob Richards *~*~*~    bob@inforamp.net   [][][][]  
>                   @@@@@@@@                     %%%%%%%%   
>                   ()()()()  Digital Cave Art   =/=/=/=/ 


The sad thing about those who think abuse should be protected on the Net is 
that they really seem to believe there is any substance to these fighting 
words.  When faced with persistant and reasonable argument, they resort to 
crude epithet and vulgar outbursts in the hope that they can silence the 
opposition.  This is not free discussion.  This is a pathetic attempt to set 
oneself up as a cultural dictator against the well-thought out and democratic 
standards of nettiquette.

Sincerely,


Joel GAzis-SAx

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In article <3ur6tc$lmt@stud.Direct.CA>, Trikky T. <twilson@Direct.CA> wrote:
>In article <pax-2007952047560001@dial027.passport.ca>, pax@passport.ca 
>(Jason Smith) says:
>
>>The issue with Bob is not his poetry, much of which is quite fun.  It's
>>his shit-in-the-sandbox attitude.  If you look at his remarks, you'll see
>>it quite quickly.  His disregard for others when it comes to his own
>>underdeveloped and incomplete agenda is the source of the fuss.
>
>But I notice you never responded to the article's point that 'general' means
>(in my words) 'pretty much everything.'  Is this because you don't have a 
>valid point ot make regarding that?
>


	That was my impression.  Bob is a threat to some because of his 
ideas--has nothing to do the other stuff.  Compare his posts, always civil,
to his many detractors often filled with threats and vulgarity.


				Steve

In article <1995Jul20.231654.23432@newton.ccs.tuns.ca>, 
smallmm@newton.ccs.tuns.ca says...

>Yes it is sad, because it confirms the fears of many of us that 
>internet is dominated (and controlled it would seem) by that tiresome
>kind of person who is so often found around computers: the control
>freak. 

Exactly, freedom of the press, for those that control the printing press.

These same people cheering now will complain the loudest (and likely in 
an unintelligable fashion per usual) when their freedoms are curtailed 
(likely) in the near future.  That of course would be different wouldn't 
it, he's a little different than the group, and some slow learners feel 
it ok to go after anyone a little different. 

In article <bob-2307950013500001@ts4-04.inforamp.net>, bob@inforamp.net
(Bob Richards) wrote:

> I say Fuck You.boB

Oh, really?

Barnoz

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