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the following are the definitions to murder from http://www.dictionary.com
  1.. To kill (another human) unlawfully.
  2.. To kill brutally or inhumanly.
therefore murder is not the same as suicide...
suicide is: The act or an instance of intentionally killing oneself.

death to an atheist or an agnostic is to cease to exist. the only reason
that murder, as in homocide, is wrong is because, as a society,
we believe that individuals have the right to exist and in murder you take
away that
right... if we believe a person has the right to exist because they
choose to exist, then why do they not have a right not to exist?  i mean
if someone wishes to cease to exist, to kill themselves, who are
you or someone else to say that they're wrong in doing so? and
if a person wishes to cease their existance why should someone
not help them do it? if you think it's okay for someone to commit
suicide then what is wrong if they want someone to help them do
it? if you're pro-abortionist, which i doubt you are, you should be
perfectly okay with suicide... i personally have a problem with
abortion, but none whatsoever with suicide... every individual
has the right to exist or not to exist... simple as that... no other
parties should be able to take away that right without sufficient reason,
such as taking away another person's life...

-jS

"Penguin" <Penguin@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3D460E23.AB39A525@netscape.net...
> ...then if they are incapable of murdering themselves, than you suggest
that
> someone else should be able to help them do it, like be legally made an
> accomplice to murder?
>
> John Smith wrote:
>
> > some people are psysically incapable of doing so... others are
> > psychologically incapable of doing so... i mean people commit suicide
> > everyday... it's not something special or unordinary...
> >
> > -jS
> >
> > "Penguin" <Penguin@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > news:3D460270.3015F53@netscape.net...
> > > ...if a person wants to murder him/her self, why does he/she need an
> > > accomplice?
> > >
> > >
> > > John Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > any atheists/agnostics/existentialists against  "EUTHANASIA AND
ASSISTED
> > > > SUICIDE" ??? and if so why? i am not... it's a person's right to end
> > his/her
> > > > life...
> > > >
> > > > -jS
> > > >
> > > > "Penquin" <Penquin@netscape.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3D45D001.6000104@netscape.net...
> > > > > EUTHANASIA AND ASSISTED SUICIDE WON'T BE FOR THE TERMINALLY ILL
ONLY
> > > > >
> > > > > By Alex Schadenberg
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 22, Nancy Crick, 69, was assisted in suicide with 21
witnesses
> > > > > encouraging her. Nancy Crick is the latest victim of Australia's
> > "doctor
> > > > > death," Dr. Philip Nitschke. During the post-mortem it was
discovered
> > that
> > > > > she was not suffering from terminal bowel cancer as Nitschke had
> > claimed,
> > > > > or any type of cancer, but rather a treatable twisted bowel. Both
> > Crick
> > > > > and Nitschke knew for several months that she wasn't terminally
ill,
> > but
> > > > > rather was experiencing chronic pain which could have been
mitigated.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Voluntary Euthanasia Society in Australia and Nitschke believe
> > that
> > > > > one needs to be "hopelessly ill," not terminally ill in order to
> > qualify
> > > > > for euthanasia or assisted suicide. This position is also held
> > > > > internationally by the World Federation of Right to Die Societies
as
> > > > > stated in their 1998 Zurich declaration that people "suffering
severe
> > > > > enduring distress" qualify for an assisted death.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the Netherlands, and now in Belgium, one does not need to be
> > terminally
> > > > > ill in order to request euthanasia or assisted suicide. Both
countries
> > do
> > > > > not have any safeguards restricting mercy killing to the
terminally
> > ill.
> > > > > One may ask to be killed if he/she is experiencing unbearable
> > suffering.
> > > > > What is unbearable suffering? For one person unbearable suffering
may
> > > > > refer to end stage cancer, while for another it might mean
depression.
> > > > >
> > > > > Suffering and distress are interesting terms which are not limited
to
> > > > > physical suffering alone. The Supreme Court in the Netherlands has
> > defined
> > > > > suffering as both physical and psychological. In Belgium the
> > legislation
> > > > > states that "a patient seeking euthanasia must be in a hopeless
> > medical
> > > > > situation and be constantly suffering physically or
psychologically."
> > > > > Therefore someone who is experiencing depression may be killed.
This
> > has
> > > > > serious ramifications because depression is treatable and
depressed
> > people
> > > > > are incapable of giving proper consent.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the Netherlands euthanasia has become an acceptable practise on
> > > > > disabled newborns. A New England Journal of Medicine study
discovered
> > that
> > > > > eight per cent of all infant deaths in the Netherlands were from
> > > > > euthanasia. These were often children whose parents didn't want a
> > disabled
> > > > > child and thought that death was preferable to disability. Many of
> > those
> > > > > newborn infants were not terminally ill; in fact, they were killed
> > because
> > > > > they were probably going to live.
> > > > >
> > > > > In Oregon, the law allows people within six months of death to
receive
> > > > > assistance in suicide. In 2001, 44 people received a prescription
for
> > > > > death while 21 people used the prescription. An interesting fact
is
> > that
> > > > > many of the 21 people who killed themselves with assistance did so
> > nine
> > > > > months or more after receiving their prescription. So much for
> > safeguards
> > > > > and so much for having to be terminally ill.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the state of Hawaii's recently failed "Death with Dignity Bill"
> > > > > proponents of the legislation such as the assistant to the
> > pro-euthanasia
> > > > > Governor Ben Cayetano, Juliet Begley, stated: "It is not about
> > committing
> > > > > suicide. It is about choosing how you die in an unbearable
situation."
> > > > >
> > > > > Nancy Crick's son, Wayne told Australia's Courier-Mail newspaper
that
> > he
> > > > > said to his mother that he thought she was being used. Her reply
was
> > "Yes,
> > > > > I know, but I'm using them." Nancy Crick was happy to support
their
> > cause
> > > > > and be a celebrity.
> > > > >
> > > > > The death activists do not seek euthanasia and assisted suicide
just
> > to
> > > > > "grant relief" to the terminally ill. They want euthanasia and
> > assisted
> > > > > suicide so they may choose the time and place of their death. It
is
> > about
> > > > > radical personal autonomy.
> > > > >
> > > > > As the death wishers seek the Right to Die, they do so at the
peril of
> > > > > everyone in society who needs to be protected from people who
question
> > > > > their right to live.
> > > > >
> > > > > People with disabilities, the elderly and other vulnerable persons
> > > > > experience abuse and pressure and have a need to be protected.
That's
> > > > > where we stand, for the dignity and sanctity of all human life.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex Schadenberg is the executive director of the Euthanasia
> > Prevention
> > > > > Coalition.
> > > > >
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