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>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen Satchell <satchell@accutek.com> writes:

       Fred> I don't think that the lawyers are forcing this and
       Fred> I don't think it is any sort of well considered
       Fred> solution.  Some ISP just wants to make some sort of
       Fred> a statement.

    Stephen> In the case of a "neutral" ISP who is in the
    Stephen> business only for the money, it's *work* to remove
    Stephen> certain newsgroups and also to monitor newgroup
    Stephen> control messages to prevent certain types of groups
    Stephen> from being established.  So to assume that the
    Stephen> lawyers *aren't* forcing this is something like
    Stephen> assuming the moon is made of green cheese -- no
    Stephen> amount of wishing will change the facts.

Well take a look at the memo that the iSTAR management sent out.
Notice that the line about the lawyers is only in the required public
statement.  Notice also that the list of banned groups itself is
to be kept confidential.  This was a management decision.


---------- Forwarded message ----------

See http://www.efc.ca/pages/isp/istar-memo-03jul96.html
- - -


			 M E M O R A N D U M

TO:	iSTAR Technical Support Staff

FROM:	Margo Langford, Corporate & Regulatory Counsel

SUBJECT: USENET News Groups

DATE:	July 3, 1996

CC:	David Ralston, COO
	Michael Martineau, VP, Engineering
	John Cryer, VP, Western Region
	Steve Doswell, VP, Central Region
	Denis Choquette, VP, Eastern Region
	Eric Carroll, Sr. Director, Network Services
	David Chaloner, Manager, Integration

Please be advised that effective today, we will be enforcing the
attached policy by deleting the appended list of USENET newsgroups
from all iSTAR USENET news servers. The attached quote is for public
distribution, and should be made available on all iSTAR web servers.

Quote

Pursuant to iSTAR internet Inc's policy to prohibit use of the iSTAR
network for illegal purposes, on the advice of legal counsel, certain
newsgroups have been deleted as they contain material that contravenes
the laws of Canada.

iSTAR will not tolerate the use of its network for illegal purposes.
Any incidence of illegal use reported to iSTAR internet will be
investigated and the information will be turned over to the
appropriate authorities. iSTAR reserves the right to cancel a
customer's account for illegal use of its network, or for interference
with other users or networks.

Unquote

In specific, we have deleted the following newsgroups per legal counsel.

				 NOTE

    This list is for the information of the technical support staff
    of iSTAR internet only, and is not for general redistribution or
    publishing to the customer base.

Please only give out examples, or confirmation of deleted groups when
customers ask, but do not otherwise make the full list available.

	alt.binaries.warez*
	alt.binaries.pictures.child.erotica.male
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child*
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teens
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.schoolgirls
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.babies
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.cheerleaders
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.fetish.diaper
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.gymnast*
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen*
	alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.young
	alt.binaries.lolita.misc
	alt.binaries.pictures.nudism
	alt.binairies.pictures.erotica.teens
	alt.sex.children
	alt.sex.preteens
	alt.sex.pedophilia*
	alt.sex.incest
	alt.sex.babies
	alt.sex.bestiality*
	alt.sex.fetish.diapers
	alt.sex.fetish.tinygirls
	alt.sex.intergen
	alt.sex.masturbation.pictures.female.teen
	alt.sex.necrophilia
	alt.sex.teens
	alt.sex.young
	alt.sex.boys
	alt.sex.girls
	alt.sex.fetish.scat
	alt.sex.sm.fig
	alt.sex.stories.hetero.incest
	alt.sex.watersports

------------end forwarded message------------------
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