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Article #173Re: (AUP) Free-Net or Kangaroo Court?
From: Hello Kittyhawk
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:00
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:00
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In article <199807142230.AAA30365@basement.replay.com>, R Brown <me@NOSPAMistar.ca> wrote: |This posting deals with a number of related issues expressed in |several current or recent threads. | |0 summary | |1 preface | |2 AUP: generally, and/or for volunteers | |3 specific bits of nonsense |[...] |(Astute readers will note that in the preceding several points, I did |not cite external materials explicitly (by quotes or web-links) myself, |but effectively just expressed my views of what they would say. This |is, in principle, because I'm commenting here primarily on the discussion |rather than directly on the subject of the discussion, and, more |practically, because those materials are generally sufficiently clearly |described as to allow a qualified person to find them. My interest |simply doesn't extend as far as doing fresh specific research for TFN |to confirm that many unresearched comments of others are of little merit.) Somewhere around the beginning of this posting I began to think that although the agenda was certainly familiar enough, the style of presentation was not. I wanted to know who this person was, so I set about the task of finding that out. Right away the alarms went off when I saw this in the news header lines: Path: gts!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.xcom.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <199807142230.AAA30365@basement.replay.com> From: me@NOSPAMistar.ca (R Brown) Organization: Replay Associates, L.L.P. X-001: This message was forwarded by an automated remailing service. X-002: No attempt was made to verify the sender's identity. X-003: Please report misuse to <abuse@replay.com> Mail-To-News-Contact: postmaster@nym.alias.net Here's somebody who is posting anonymously, I thought - doesn't make much sense in this context. Modulo the "NOSPAM" in "me@NOSPAMistar.ca", I opined that etiher there was a forged address or a large ego involved. Tests then showed that the address was in fact a forgery - other things would need to be looked at to determine the ego issue. So, I attempted to take the posting at face value. First was to look at the style of presentation - here was a person well skilled in the art of written words, and the arts of persuasion. As I read through this I began to see that the writer was in fact attempting to establish credentials of subject authority only on the basis of their assertions & the manner which they were made. This struck me so much that I was rather taken aback to find at the end a further attempt at anonymity cloaked in what amounted to a sneering disclaimer: |practically, because those materials are generally sufficiently clearly |described as to allow a qualified person to find them. My interest |simply doesn't extend as far as doing fresh specific research for TFN |to confirm that many unresearched comments of others are of little merit.) Um, I was not impressed. Here's a person whose skills of persuasion would far better serve the TFN community in corporate boardrooms by making the case for financial support of our efforts, rather than being underutilised in what effectively is another person's media-unaware opinion dressed up in policy-advisor language. -- ,u, Bruce Becker Toronto, Ontario 1 416 699 1868 a /i/ Internet: bdb@gts.org Uucp: ...!gts!bdb `\o\-e To a fish, water and god are the same thing. _< /_ - Mao TseTse Redbook
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10643c,af8b91c1b67e9f45 X-Google-Attributes: gid10643c,public X-Google-Thread: 1511e9,af8b91c1b67e9f45 X-Google-Attributes: gid1511e9,public X-Google-Thread: 10aaae,af8b91c1b67e9f45 X-Google-Attributes: gid10aaae,public X-Google-Thread: 103731,af8b91c1b67e9f45 X-Google-Attributes: gid103731,public From: bdb@GTS.Net (Hello Kittyhawk) Subject: Re: (AUP) Free-Net or Kangaroo Court? Date: 1998/07/16 Message-ID: <Ew7Gzs.99z.0.hotlips@GTS.Net> X-Deja-AN: 372145805 References: <6ng828$l3s$2@news.interlog.com> <EvKv0D.Co5.0.queen@torfree.net> <6ntsnl$m8j$2@news.interlog.com> <199807142230.AAA30365@basement.replay.com> Organization: G.T.S., Toronto, Ontario Newsgroups: torfree.general,torfree.policy,tor.general,can.infohighway