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In article <359c1aa9.2020972@news.alt.net>, dmytrik@syntac.net says...
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>From what I have seen so far the only pro-cencorship voices are the
>small group of board members seeking the power to silence others for
>themselves. People that have frequently expressed a desire to control
>the speech of others.

What part of the draft AUP (Aside from the whole thing) did you not read, 
dmytri? Did you miss the part that said (Verbatim copy here)"

"Again, the Toronto Free-Net welcomes and encourage people to use our systems 
as they see fit, as long as they abide by Canadian law. We do not practice or 
condone censorship or repression of ideas in any form, other than those 
outlined by Canadian law."

>My own security is not my primary concern here, I am acting with my
>convictions and therefore believe that no harm will come to me.

>This may be a naive point of view, but it has served me well all my
>life.

You're right, that is naive.
>
>More bluster, Marc, your credibility is fading fast with these kinds
>of patently inaccurate statements.

No, it is not. The only person who questions my 'credibility' is you, and I'm 
really not concerned with that.

>I am trying to prevent a small group of control freaks from taking
>freedom of expression of the membership hostage by setting their up
>their own little kangaroo court.

Again, dmytri, read the AUP written in one of Canada's two languages. There is 
NOTHING about censorship in there. You're a cheap martyr who has not even 
checked to make sure that you're carrying the correct cross.

>>This is nothing short of despicable and reprehensible.
>
>Despicable, reprehensible... it's only a matter of time before Marc
>calls me stinky and says I have the kooties.

I have no care or concern for your personal hygene. Your actions are despicable 
and reprehensible.

>Lynch mobs are despicable Marc, attempting to give yourself the power
>to silence people is despicable Marc.

Show me where lynch mobs were even hinted at, you hyppocrite. Threatening the 
TFN, it's volunteers and supporters is a form of lynch mobs threatened by 
yourself. Hyppocrite.

>Geez, now I'm a coward too. Wow. I guess Marc's bag of mud to sling
>isn't empty yet, one wonders if invective and incredulity is all he
>has to offer or if he has a genuine point besides his own feet
>stamping.

You're right, dmytri, you are a coward. Anyone who threatens to destroy an 
organization because of YOUR OWN, singular beliefs, is a coward. I will give 
you one scenario where your actions would be acceptable, even applaudable: If 
we went through with this AUP process (And we are), presented it to the 
membership (Which we are) so they can modify, make suggestions, etc, (which we 
are) then presented it at the AGM (Which we are) and the members voted AGAINST 
it, THEN I could applaud your actions. HOWEVER, you are essentially telling the 
TFN members, the ONES YOU ARE REPRESENTING (Supposedly) that you don't give a 
damn about their opinions or their votes. That YOU, personally, will decide 
what is best for them, for ALL FORTY-FIVE THOUSAND OF THEM. Way to go, stalin.

>I remind Marc, that although I have stated my position clearly, I have
>not personally attacked anyone, and although some of the ideas that
>have been promoted are views that I find very offensive and vile, I
>have made every effort to avoid mud slinging.

You have attacked the TFN, it's supporters and it's volunteers by threatening 
to 'destroy them in any way possible'. Don't forget to wash under your nails 
when removing that mud.

>My self-glorification? My martyr act? Funny coming from a guy who's
>jumping up and down screaming "Extortion!" "Blackmail!" and patting
>himself on the back with noises of moral judgements and pantomimed
>disgust.
>
>Please justify either statement.

They have been (repeatedly) justified in many posts in this and related 
threads. If you have a problem with the english language, I suggest an ESL 
course.

>I am acting on my beliefs, from a position of strength, not attempting
>to gain sympathy for any kind of victimization.

You are victimizing the TFN membership by attempting to disallow them to vote 
on their own needs, wants and desires. 

>As a side note, you have opened yourself up to a slander charge by
>using these terms publicly. 
>
>But not to worry, I have no interest in suing you and am not really
>personally concerned about slander.

<yawn> 

>The FreeNet is a community service with a resonsibility to uphold
>freedom of speach and be a vangard of justice in the new media. It has
>a very important role to play in the evaluation of a very important
>new medium.


You still don't get it. There is nothing in the AUP that affects freedom of 
speech, excpet to reinforce the fact that we fully support it.

-- 
Marc Bissonnette
InternAlysis
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