🚀 go-pugleaf

On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 03:05:53 GMT, fjb@torfree.net (Jim Butterfield)
wrote:

>dmytrik@syntac.net (Dmytri Kleiner) wrote:
>
>>Marc, please, the answer is obvious, having a doctor killed is not in
>>the greater good of the community, which is why we have law enforcers
>>and a justice system
>
>And the law enforcers and justice system are likely go after the
>directors of an organization who, knowing that such a posting had been
>made, insisted on keeping it in the public view.  To repeat: the
>organization need not police all postings; but when one is drawn to
>its attention, it can't pretend to go blind.

First of all you know perfectly well that our ability to remove such a
posting is imperfect at best, secondly if you *REALLY* are concerned
that posting such as this are a realistic occurrence  then make a
motion that makes posting such material against  a TFN By-Law, don't
use this sort of extreme examples to put the TFN in a position
upholding the laws of Canada when simply passing a by-law against
death threats would do the trick, no?

>>You and Jim are just making sensationalized examples to try and
>>justify vigilantism.
>
>Ya got me there, Dim .. the shooting of a doctor is an unheard of
>event that could never possibly happen.  The posting of the address of
>a house where such a doctor is claimed to reside couldn't possibly
>cause any harm, right, Kleiner?  You'd just leave it right up there
>for any interested parties to see.

More of Jim typical attempt top manipulate with exaggeration and
sensationalism, attempting to suggest that because I oppose his point
of view that I'm not interested in the welfare of doctors. Sigh.

I am against the TFN having a policy that it will disciple users based
on "illegal" activities, when no court of law has ruled whether said
activities are illegal or not.

I am not in principal against the TFN having rules and upholding it's
own by-laws, though I admit I would be very suspicious of rules that
govern content, I would likely support (or at least not spend much
energy to oppose) a clearly worded by-law that would make it
specifically against *OUR* rules to use *OUR* equipment to issue death
threats,

But this is *NOT* what is being discussed, no matter how much you
bluster on, what is being discussed is a blanket policy to discipline
users based on our interpretations of *CANADIAN LAW,* which we have no
qualifications or jurisdiction to do.

>Let me assure you that the law enforcement authorities are not skilful
>surgeons in removing such offending material.  The TFN's equipment
>will be hauled away as evidence, and the hard drive contents examined
>at the convenience of the constabulary.  I have a feeling that this
>would please Che Kleiner, since it would give him another soapbox to
>scream from; but many thousands of TFN subscribers would be denied
>service while this happens.

Here you go again with using the alleged inadequacies of the law
enforcement agencies as an justification for taking the law into our
own hands. I don't buy it Jim. Once again, this  reminds me too much
of the rhetoric of street gangs, vigilante groups and lynch mobs.

>>And you Marc, have sunk to the level of Jim Blubberfield. Attempting
>>to use pithy snubs to replace thought and logic.
>
>I hope Marc feels complimented.  I hope his spelling is better than
>Dimmy's.

I hope not Jim, you really are a  pompous, controlling, bitchy,  and
petty little  man who holds long grudges and always acts from his own
personal biases.

I would hope nobody aspires to this.

I will admit you do have your good points though, namely your
volunteer efforts and helpfulness to your fellow users.

Take that for what it's worth, although I'll bet giving me any credit
is far beyond your self serving horizons.

>>Marc, as I;ve said, *WE ALREADY HAVE A JUSTICE SYSTEM* to look out for
>>our safety and rights
>
>The justice system might not behave the way Kleiner thinks.  And his
>fine ideals might seriously cripple the free communications presently
>enjoyed by TFN members.

Once again you're saying the cops are bad, badges we don't need no
stinkin' badges. 

Fuck the Justice system, We got to look out for ourselves eh Jim?

Hang the murdered! He doesn't deserve justice! Get 'em boys!

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