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Re: (AUP) Free-Net or Kangaroo Court?

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From: Yello Biennual
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 00:00
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In article <6njahc$1dl$1@news.interlog.com>,
Marc Bissonnette <dragnet@internalysis.com> wrote:
|In article <EvIzvL.HIs.0.sheppard@torfree.net>, cr764@torfree.net says...
|
|>: So you are saying that you will support the enforcement of these 
|>: laws, on our own, but not those involving theft, child pornography, 
|copyrioght 
|>: infringement, murder, etc, etc. 
|>
|>interesting point... we're willing to forgo legalities in some 
|>circumstances but not in others... 
|>
|
|My point to it all (and this is what disturbs me about the naysayers in this 
|debate) is that there must be a point in a citizens life in which s/he must do 
|something about illegality. I mentioned this in the Board list and I'll mention 
| it here. If there were pictures of my wife, daughter, sisters or mother posted 
|to the net, depicting rape, murder, abuse, etc, etc, and the Board decided to 
|do *nothing* until a judge forced them to, I'd GUARANTEE I'd sue the TFN and 
|anything even *Imagined* to be related to the TFN so that the following five 
|generations were indebted. And that's just the *legal* stuff I'd do. 


	Urk.  Marc... what you've just said in its own way
	is completely similar to what you complained about
	Dmytri's statements.


	You've got your points of intense reaction, he's got
	his, & others may vary greatly from either of these
	issues when it comes to their points of no return.


|There is a certain point at which people have to take a step back and realize 
|that some morals look really good on paper, but in practice, there are ALWAYS 
|exceptions to the rule.


	That cuts many more ways than one.


	Blowing things up out of context is futile & unproductive.
	No matter what rules we make there will always be some
	scenario we can imagine which if it occurred would be
	completely terrible were it to occur.  The example you've
	given is most unlikely to happen, although of course it
	is _possible_.  It's a straw man argument which after it
	catches fire burns down to no visible remains.


	There are real issues to explore - pointing the
	finger'o'doom at Bad Dmytri won't get us anywhere
	useful as far as I can see.  Please let's get on
	to some constructive ground where we have a chance
	to see & value one another's points of view -
	otherwise while we're out in the yard fighting
	somebody might sneak in the house & steal our
	goodies, which in this case is the reasonably
	smooth operation of the TFN so far.  We could end
	up making all kinds of rules & regs that no sane
	volunteer would ever bother to show up to try
	to administer...


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From: bdb@GTS.Net (Yello Biennual)
Subject: Re: (AUP) Free-Net or Kangaroo Court?
Date: 1998/07/04
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