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Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: The essence of the matter Mr. Colin is that you subjected the TFN 
: book-keeping to fraud to satisfy selfish anti-social behaviour and a 
: crime to society. 

Documentation please. If you have any evidence of fraud or other criminal
activity PLEASE present it to the appropriate law enforcement authorites,
and I shall await their call. Further as Mr. Selk has audited the TFN
books, you may wish to speak to the people who watch over accountants in
Ontario. If you Nabil have such evidence and do not present it to the
authorities you are an "accessory after the fact" a criminal code offence. 
I will not hold my breath waiting for your evidence in all of this, and I
will suggest that Mr. Selk do likewise. 

: If that is your ethics or the board's then many other things can and are 
: happening the same way.

Huh? After claiming I have commited a crime, are you suggesting I might
not have done anything wrong? 

: The TFN aspired to high social values that the current board is 
: shamelessly breaking at the expense of endangering the TFN in case of an 
: 'official' audit, not one done by a 'volunteer'.

Huh? Mr. Peter Selk DID donate his services as auditor, or is FREE too
expensive for you?

: It is a great move however that you are admitting the mistake, may be 
: this way we can look at the problems and actually take some action about 
: it instead of the usual cover up procedures and attacking every one that 
: have the courage to mention it, by defamation and character assassination.

What mistake?

: My offer is still valid, I shall do a full-time job for a part-time 
: salary to take on Ed's responsibilities, WWW server included. As all 
: parties know the mutual mistrust between the board and myself, everybody 
: can be reassured that we are watching each others for any false move. 
: During my brief work in the office I have not only demonstarted how 
: better I interacted with members, but also brought in some of the 
: visitors to volunteer for TFN. During this brief period, I abstained from 
: answering badly to the most rediculous attacks in newsgroups (as long as 
: it came from a user and not from a fellow board member). After my inhuman 
: 'removal' I did not go out and publish the more incriminating attacks on 
: my person that is I hope are still part of the board mailing list 
: archives, just because I know that it is confidential. So, I have more 
: character and morals than many of the board members, irrespective of the 
: harm that was done not only to myself but to the people I represent (both 
: as an IP and as an elected board member).

Nabil you showed yourself unable to work with any other office volenteers,
you damaged TFN relations with Ryerson, you obtained property by false
pretenses (claiming to be TFN office manager (while Ed Carrier held this
post) to Ryerson, and thus obtainting a sub-master key), and you changed
(while Ed Carrier went to the washroom) the office manager password
without authorization. In other words we have had to devote more volenteer
hours in cleaning up your mess than you ever put into "helping" the TFN.

Now you have the gall not only to ask for control of the office, but to be
paid for this. Quite bluntly Nabil hell will have to have been frozen over
solid for a LONG time before you are seriously consided for any
responsible post with in the TFN. Quite simply we do not have enough
volenteers (or money to pay for the people) to babysit you and keep the
TFN safe from the sort of trouble you have shown yourself so capable of
creating. 

: I still believe that you are so hate-filled that you do not know a 
: helping hand when you see one. I am offering the TFN a way out of the 
: current crisis that would actually mean no member donations, unless of 
: course that is the way you like it.

I know what helping hands look like, yours isn't one of them. What I do
see is an nasty child like person who will dammage what ever will not give
him what he wants. As for that last line Nabil, if that is a threat Nabil,
then publish and be dammed.

: Sincerely,

: Nabil

: Colin McGregor (aa005@torfree.net) wrote:
: : Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: : : [ Article crossposted from torfree.hwsw ]
: : : [ Author was Jordan Brent Blanchard ]
: : : [ Posted on Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:48:19 -0400 (EDT) ]

: : : This message was sent to me and the sender asked that his name not be given!

: : : -------------------------------------------------------------------------

: : : Actually Jordan, Geoffrey Gies was given $500 as an honorarium. It is not 
: : : the amount - which was not announced - that matter, but rather the way it 
: : : was given to him, so as he wouldn't have to declare it to social services.

: : First of all the position taken by the board was that we wanted to thank
: : Geoffrey for the months of solid, reliable, volenteer work Geoffrey has
: : put it. While the money did not and does not exist to to pay Geoffrey a
: : salary for what he did, it was thought something a little more solid than
: : a pat on the back should be done. So the idea of an honorarium came up.
: : Futher in a modest effort to avoid controversy the decision was made to
: : give Geoffrey the money but not to make any noise about it.

: : The board asked Geoffrey how we wanted the honorarium paid, knowing that a
: : lump sum payment might cause difficulty for Geoffrey. The board went with
: : an arangement that was acceptable to Geoffrey Gies. The rest is STRICTLY a
: : matter between Geoffrey and Social Services. My employeer doesn't review
: : how I fill out my yearly tax return (as it is none of their business), and
: : I don't ask volenteers about their finacial arangements as that is none of
: : MY business.

Colin McGregor
President
Toronto Free-Net