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Long interesting post:
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Thank you David, we carefully read your post. We want to ask you the 
following questions which we supplemented with traceroutes among other 
things. We also numbered the questions, so as we can follow to which part 
you are answering. We hope that you maintain that in your answers.


> To make this long story short, the TFN talks to a number of machines.
> Bruce may have created entries in the name server database for these 
machines
> for convenience reasons.  However, their true location comes out in a
> traceroute.

Q1- Explain then why there's a gts.torfree.net being referenced to 
gts.net?  It serves no useful purpose for the TFN.

Of course the only purpose this can serve is the other way around, i.e. 
Bruce Becker using this as a gateway to free T1 connection, rather than 
passing through the bottle-ncek of the ISDN connection that is obviously 
paid for according to volume of traffic also.

Q2- If this is not the case, why keep it? 

Q3- How does such a thing benefit the TFN 'mainly'?

bash$ traceroute gts.torfree.net;slt.com;traceroute csas.torfree.net

traceroute to gts.org (192.172.254.6), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 
1  rtcolo.spg.va.erols.net (207.96.1.1)  1.035 ms  0.823 ms  0.806 ms 
2  spg-rtcwix.erols.net (207.172.0.3)  1.954 ms  1.250 ms  1.151 ms 
3  tip-7513-ar1-h8-0.cwix.net (206.142.253.73)  8.022 ms  2.521 ms  3.567 
ms 
4  tip-7513-1-f11-0.cwix.net (207.124.104.97)  4.985 ms  3.487 ms  3.236 
ms 
5  nyd-7513-1-h4-0.cwix.net (207.124.104.50)  8.718 ms  9.335 ms  7.170 
ms 
6  nyd-7513-2-f9-0.cwix.net (206.142.243.130)  12.159 ms  8.456 ms  7.489 
ms 
7  144.228.164.21 (144.228.164.21)  14.781 ms  13.640 ms  11.384 ms 
8  144.228.60.7 (144.228.60.7)  32.155 ms  37.505 ms  35.857 ms 
9  sl-accld-1-S0-T1.sprintlink.net (144.228.67.30)  63.727 ms  52.800 ms  
52.245 ms
10  t3-1.toronto.acc.ca (206.231.247.237)  51.318 ms  45.411 ms  46.893 ms
11  toronto-isdn1.ican.net (206.231.245.194)  50.460 ms  50.186 ms  
51.405 ms
12  frozen.reptiles.org (192.75.253.129)  115.089 ms  203.273 ms  151.100 
ms
13  csas-gw.reptiles.org (192.75.253.140)  90.459 ms  223.844 ms  136.613 
ms
14  ppp-gts.reptiles.org (192.75.253.72)  446.388 ms  223.949 ms  248.576 
ms
15  not.falcon.gts.org (192.172.254.6)  606.049 ms  228.704 ms  274.978 ms

Now here is the trace route for csas.torfree.net (notice that it takes 
you to csas.com directly.

traceroute to csas.com (204.138.66.33), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 
1  rtcolo.spg.va.erols.net (207.96.1.1)  1.019 ms  0.848 ms  0.786 ms 
2  spg-rtcwix.erols.net (207.172.0.3)  1.282 ms  1.419 ms  1.279 ms 
3  tip-7513-ar1-h8-0.cwix.net (206.142.253.73)  4.311 ms  4.171 ms  2.590 
ms 
4  tip-7513-1-f5-0.cwix.net (206.142.240.1)  17.005 ms  3.173 ms  3.234 
ms 
5  nyd-7513-1-h4-0.cwix.net (207.124.104.50)  7.870 ms  7.613 ms  10.277 
ms 
6  nyd-7513-2-f5-0.cwix.net (206.142.243.2)  7.403 ms  11.052 ms  8.485 
ms 
7  144.228.164.21 (144.228.164.21)  14.926 ms  13.123 ms  16.023 ms 
8  144.228.60.7 (144.228.60.7)  20.345 ms  29.986 ms  18.966 ms 
9  sl-accld-1-S0-T1.sprintlink.net (144.228.67.30)  50.172 ms  49.462 ms  
59.588 ms
10  t3-1.toronto.acc.ca (206.231.247.237)  52.581 ms  51.026 ms  49.486 ms
11  toronto-isdn1.ican.net (206.231.245.194)  49.511 ms  46.813 ms  
45.953 ms
12  frozen.reptiles.org (192.75.253.129)  70.224 ms  77.431 ms  285.813 ms
13  csas-gw.reptiles.org (192.75.253.140)  92.975 ms  119.009 ms  121.909 
ms
14  ppp-gts.reptiles.org (192.75.253.72)  302.603 ms  298.387 ms  257.074 
ms
15  csas.com (204.138.66.33)  260.514 ms  218.650 ms  212.382 ms

Q4- And what purpose does referencing csas.torfree.net to csas.com serve 
(_really_)?

The point here is not that some person typing http://csas.torfree.net 
instead of going directly to http://www.csas.com or whatever, it is 
actually in the other way around, that traffic from  csas.com is not 
routed through the torfree.net.

Q5- Can you say - taking in consideration we are not dealing here with an 
average Joe - with confidence that this is not the case? Can you?

> As for ns.gts.net being a nameserver for the TFN: it is good practice 
for
> an organization on the Internet to have backup nameservers and mail
> exchangers to provide more reliability in the case where the TFN's
> network goes down.  Negotiating with other Internet providers for backup

Q6- Do you say that 2 name servers are not enough for TFN? 

Q7- Can you also - with any degree of certainty - claim that having 
another name server - not under our control - cannot be misused to get 
benefits donated to TFN, to 'business' entities?

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; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> gts.torfree.net mx 
;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch
;; got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 6
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 3, Auth: 0, Addit: 2
;; QUESTIONS:
;;	gts.torfree.net, type = MX, class = IN

;; ANSWERS:
gts.torfree.net.	43200	CNAME	gts.org.
gts.org.	76809	MX	5 mail.gts.org.
gts.org.	76809	MX	10 mail.gts.net.

;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS:
mail.gts.org.	76809	A	192.172.254.6
mail.gts.net.	76809	A	204.138.66.97

Q8 -Now what about this? Does not this inform you that gts.torfree.net is 
actually working as a mail server for GTS?

Q9 - Who is the administrative contact for the TFN? Wouldn't it be nice 
that changes to the Internic registration of the TFN be first approved by 
the board and published in the minutes?

Q10- What would the average TFN user lose by closing down the office web 
site? What does the TFN stands to lose if it was proven that this link is 
being misused?

Now for the more puzzling parts, particularly as the subdomain database 
has been changed to reflect other names since this was published in the 
first place, so it cannot be verified now, except of course by someone 
having the right access to the log files (which I believe you still 
enjoy) to see when and who made these changes, for example for 
gts.torfree.net to now read not.falcon.gts.org). This part is actually a 
proof of misuse to have the the gts.torfree.net act as a name server for 
ns.tls.com (You can of course guess who in the doamin name registration 
is the hostmaster).

Q11- Can you explain why only 100 lines are present in the current hunt 
group for TFN instead of the two hundred that TFN is paying for? Where 
are the other 100 lines? What is the hunt group for them? 

Of course we do not swallow the feeble answer given by you know who, that 
these numbers are not consequential, as actually this is not what we 
understand about hunt groups in telephone lines. Strnage enough also is 
that the next 100 lines are not in service 780-2100 - 780-2199, which 
lead us to conclude - not proof - that the original hunt group was for 
200 (until recently). We may have to use our rights of access to 
information to solve this. 

34 cyber1 (/home/torpub1/fits)% traceroute gts.torfree.net
traceroute to ns.tls.com (192.172.254.6), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  st-roc-1-h0-t3.servtech.net (199.1.22.1)  0 ms  0 ms  0 ms
 2  sl-chi-16-S2/5-T1.sprintlink.net (144.228.156.77)  40 ms  30 ms  30 ms
 3  sl-chi-2-F6/0/0.sprintlink.net (144.228.50.2)  20 ms  30 ms  20 ms
 4  sl-pen-17-H1/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.37)  40 ms  40 ms  60 ms
 5  sl-pen-7-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.228.60.7)  190 ms  230 ms  220 ms
 6  sl-accld-1-S0-T1.sprintlink.net (144.228.67.30)  80 ms  70 ms  70 ms
 7  206.231.247.237 (206.231.247.237)  70 ms  390 ms  80 ms
 8  toronto-isdn1.ican.net (206.231.245.194)  80 ms  80 ms  70 ms
 9  frozen.reptiles.org (192.75.253.129)  100 ms  110 ms  150 ms
10  csas-gw.reptiles.org (192.75.253.140)  170 ms  240 ms  150 ms
11  ppp-gts.reptiles.org (192.75.253.72)  340 ms  240 ms  310 ms
12  ns.tls.com (192.172.254.6)  280 ms  240 ms  290 ms

Q12- Do you claim that I invented this scenario? I know that the 
subdomain name in question is the same one as gts's (Thank you). 

Q13- If you do not claim that, as hopefully you would check the logs - if 
any - of the site(s) to see that this was not changed, then what is your 
explanation for this? 

Q14- What is the advantages of this marriage (/rape) between the TFN and 
CSAS (and/or GTS, Reptiles, tls, etc who are invited to this gang rape)? 

Though we do not object to inter-racial marriages, I still do for 
inter-racial rapes (as well as any rape). The irony is one intity is not 
for profit and is the employer, while the other is for profit and is the 
employee.

Of course your answer must be from the view-point of the 'best interests 
of the TFN' as we know you as one who always had that in mind, but we 
cannot also forget that you are the one who actually contracted CSAS and 
is negotiating there renewal of the contracts.

I think it is a good time for change.

We hope that you would tell what makes your consciousness at rest, as an 
eminenet professional, a TFN volunteer and a TFN Board member. However, 
we have the right also to question your answer and/or publish it to 
hostmasters newsgroups. Please do not under-estimate our resourcefullness 
nor our perserverance.

Nabil M. EL-Khodari
Nathan Richards
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Nabil M. El-Khdari          | Community networking is not an aim in itself,
TFN Member                  | but a means to an end.. The end being community
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