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The TFCN Conspiracy Theory: Part II: More facts (motivation)

They have all the way claimed that I am a lunatic and paranoid. 
I do not care if you believe I am or not. Let us see some more 
facts (as if the original post(s) was not enough):

Proof # 2:

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From: dmytrik@lglobal.com (Quirk)
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 15:08:48 GMT
Subject: TFN... Do we help or let her sink? 


The TFN Elections are shaping up into a first class disaster.

There are 11 positions open, and like two nominees.

So... should other members of this group run?

If we get 4 or 5 seats from our group on the board of directors, then
perhaps we can save the TFN by merging it with the TFCN..?

What should we do?

           +++

           Dmytri Kleiner -- Quirk
                                        "Gravity lets
           P.S.  Oh, Nevermind.           you down"

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Aha, merging. Good. That is the real reason. In fact merging 
is a more decent word than overtake. Please be patient, and 
wait for the TFCN financial picture and plans to know who is 
the major benefit of this 'merging'.

Proof #3:
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Source: http://www.fcn.net/archive/misc.163.txt

From: tor@wtv.net (Bob Allisat)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:48:59 -0500
Subject: Re: board nominations 


Geoffrey Gies wrote:
(Note: edited for brevity)
| Marc Fournier  <scrappy@ki.net> -have 2nds, need acceptance, ph #
| Bruce Becker <bdb@GTS.NET>      -have 2nds, need acceptance, ph #
| Tom Evans <mrclean@vrx.net>     -need daytime phone number, have 2nds
|
|        on the same matter, i would like to include david jones...
|

 - Marc Has to Accept and you
 need his phone number. I'll
 try and call Scrappy today.

 - Bruce Becker has to accept
 and ditto on the tel#. Let me
 try him as well.

 - I've called Tom Evans and
 am waiting for him to call me.
 Or he may call you Geoff.

 - Someone has to nominate David
 Jones and you needs seconders).

 We're almost there, eh? Now all
 we have to do is get your ass
 on that there Board eh, Geoff?

 TeleVirtually Yours,

 Bob Allisat                           tor@wtv.net
 Director,                          (416) 588-0670
 World Televirtual Network      http://www.wtv.net

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We are almost there? What does that mean exactly? If this is 
not a group planning to achieve quorum, what does it mean?

Besides it shows how they speak to each other HE MUST. 


Proof 3:
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From: dmytrik@lglobal.com (Quirk)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:42:26 GMT
Subject: Re: TFN: Phone lines, etc... 

<deletia>

Ed? --> Are you paying attention? You are a TFN employee... can you
        help us with some figures? Have any been compiled. Do you have
        any suggestions?




           +++

           Dmytri Kleiner -- Quirk
                                        "Gravity lets
           P.S.  Oh, Nevermind.           you down"
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What? Is this a war. Recruiting 'inside spies', as if others 
are not enough, they are pushing someone called Ed? To get inside information.  Why not ask for it publicly.  I know they have 
'researched' the Rogers contract with TFN.

I know Ed whoever he is, did not respond to their demands.
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Proof #4 

From: tlmkr@tic.on.ca (toolmaker)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 18:31:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: TFCN "slate" for TFN elections?? 

Is there a need to present a slate of candidates running as 
TFCN "members" with a "common" platform. Is this possible? 
What do you think??

	take care -steve

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Slate?  This is not to be discussed in public f* (I do not believe 
there is a copy right to this expression).

It speaks clearly of TFCN members for TFN elections. 
To help, yes of course.

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Proof #5: (Actually the first part of proof #1 previously posted so many times)

From: dmytrik@lglobal.com (Quirk)
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 20:12:08 GMT
Subject: TFN Strategic Report 


On Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:55:56 -0400 (EDT), you (Geoffrey Gies) wrote: =20
+       congratulations dmytri.  you are officially listed as a nominee=20
+  in the go agm candidate's menu (and i did not get a verification call).

Since the GO AGM section is "for members only" can you please keep up
update on all the official nominees?

I think this group should always be up to date on the current status.

So far (I think) ...

Already on The Board
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Daniel Albano
Mark Bernier
Elizabeth Harrison
Laine Ruus

Official Candidates
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Bob Allisat ~
Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari
Geoffrey Geis ~
Dmytri Kleiner ~
Dave Shory

Nominated, accepted, but not yet seconded
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Marc Bissonnette
Tom Evans *
David Lloyd-Jones ~
Alex Mackinnon *
Colin McGregor ~

Nominated but haven't yet accepted
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Bruce Becker ~  (Come on Bruce -- we need you)
Marc Fournier

Indicate Interest In Running
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Bill Chow

Legend
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~ Part of the TFCN core group
* Sympathetic to the TFCN

Geoff:  since you can GO AGM, can you clarify the above and keep this
list up to date?

<Deletia posted before>

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Now consider again the 'Legend', it is according to the loyality to 
TFCN. Consider for the first time the title (TFN Strategic Report), 
Waaw.  I think he meant TFCN strategy, unless of course he considers 
it a done deal. Which can actually happen if you, the TFN user, do 
not stand up to them.

An interesting thing to notice also is that they have abandoned all 
moves towards actually 'creating' TFCN and concentrate all their 
efforts now on TFN.  Helping you may say, if the above is not enough 
for you then wait till you know their financial and institutional 
picture. Keep reading the thread. If you had enough, step forward 
and save TFN from its financial and invasion crises.

Interestingly I received just now at last my answer to the questions 
I have posted. You can read the complete version somewhere else. 
I shall take some of Dmytri's answers:

+  2- Why Dymetry, ask in his post to the TFCN list that we have at least 
+  6 people (TFCN reliable) and it is better to have eight? If you do not 
+  know, please read the minutes of the last board meeting. These are the 
+  numbers necessary to form a qorum, i.e. TFCN 'affiliates' alone can make 
+  decisions binding to TFN.

Because I do not have the time to babysit the Nabils, Gosschalks,
Williams of the world, I want a quorum of reasonable people who really
care about community access, I know the members of the TFCN are such
people.


+  3- Why Dymetry in his above mentioned - and previously posted by me - 
+  letter to the TFCN members puit special codes to each board nominee 
+  according to his 'loyality' to TFCN and not TFN.

I repeat, because I do not have the time to babysit the Nabils,
Gosschalks, Williams of the world, I want a quorum of reasonable
people who really care about community access, I know the members of
the TFCN are such people.


+  If that is not enough to build a strong case in your mind, well so be it. 
+  I shall continue to oppose TFCN overtake of TFN. Hope that many TFN 
+  candidates are actually waiting to the last minute to nominate 
+  themselves. 

Nabil, let me put it to you this way, yes we are conspiring, we are
conspiring to save the TFN, take a good look around, if we don't save
it who will? You?

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Unfortunately, he is right (up till now), but as I said I have more 
trust in the TFN people, those who grew up with TFN, who TFN present 
to them their first taste of the wealth of information on the internet. 
I am sure before the end of the month we shall have more than 20 people 
from TFN running for elections, who wins who loses does not matter, for 
those TFCN affiliates who may actually sneak in, they will at least 
learn what is democracy is all about. 
This is the topic of my next post (Democracy in TFCN).

GET NOMINATED NOW. Send me your request at fits@servtech.com, with your 
vision for TFN and the time and effort you can help TFN with and believe 
me it will be too much. We need real volunteers, previous experience 
helpful but not required. The  only experience that matters is being a 
user of TFN and to really CARE. 
-- 
Nabil M. El-Khdari          | Community networking is not an aim in itslef,
TFN Board candidate         | but a means to an end.. The end being community
TFN Information Provider    | revitalization, empowerment and development.
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