🚀 go-pugleaf

The following are what you'd see if you 'go url' and type 
http://gts.torfree.net. Mind you, I believe this is just only the facade 
to claim that he (Bruce) made this just to piss me off. The real uses of 
such a connection has to be thoroughly investigated. That he chose to 
link to isolda (which caused a lot of discussions before) and that he 
included a jpg file named f...u.jpg are also worthy of some action.

If there is no functional use of this gts.torfree.net through which Bruce 
somehow uses the free T1 connection of the TFN, then such a link should 
never exist. 

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Why would Nathan want to be System Admin.. I really don't think he'd want 
to stand the BS emails that yourself and your other three acounts send to 
him..

Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: Nathan D Richards (enkil@nowhere.net) wrote:

: : They're just aliases.  I don't see what the big deal is, do you?

: That was not your opinion when we were researching this together. I guess 
: you have changed your mind. Now that you are trying to kiss ass to the 
: TFN board and sysadm. 

: It beats me how a person who claims he can not find money to eat - 
: and balming me for it - went to attend the last board meeting? 

: Do you believe you will be given a higher access? So as you can librarily 
: delete other people's posts and spy on their mail? I think TFN has enough.

: It is a shame that you started this whole fiasco because I told you that 
: the TFN is safer in Bruce's hands than in yours. I still have that 
: opinion, not that I like what Bruce is doing (or not doing most of the 
: time). If there are crazy people within the TFN board or the HW/SW 
: committee to consider giving you a higher access, I advise requesting a 
: psychological profile.

: Thank you however for this post, which I believe documents the existence 
: of both csas.tofree.net and gts.torfree.net, which Jordan vehemently 
: denies. Nevertheless, I shall try myself - through the TFN go url - to 
: access these two servers. I know that after my first postings they are no 
: more accessible through the WWW. What is the benefit of having these 
: aliases is something that I leave to the more techie people, which I am 
: not one. If there is no use to both GTS or CSAS then why they are there?

: : bash$ nslookup csas.torfree.net;nslookup 
: gts.torfree.net : Server:  localhost.jurai.net
: : Address:  127.0.0.1

: : Non-authoritative answer:
: : Name:    csas.com
: : Address:  204.138.66.33
: : Aliases:  csas.torfree.net

: : Server:  localhost.jurai.net
: : Address:  127.0.0.1

: : Non-authoritative answer:
: : Name:    gts.org
: : Address:  192.172.254.6
: : Aliases:  gts.torfree.net


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: Nabil M. El-Khodari              \ / "Men use thought to justify their 
: IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
:                                   |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-
-- 
Jordan Blanchard
Web Site: Http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Boardwalk/1172/
Email Addresses: cy328@torfree.net 
		ICQ#: 6453134

Jordan Blanchard (cy328@torfree.net) wrote:
: Why would Nathan want to be System Admin.. I really don't think he'd want 
: to stand the BS emails that yourself and your other three acounts send to 
: him..

I believe this is not addressed to me. I only have two accounts (ad613 & 
falcon), but a third ISP account is in the works. So unless Jordan is a 
psychic or he is counting my Finnish freenet account, then he means 
someone else ;-)
-- 
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Nabil M. El-Khodari              \ / "Men use thought to justify their 
IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

ad613@torfree.net (Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari) writes:

> It beats me how a person who claims he can not find money to eat - 
> and balming me for it - went to attend the last board meeting? 
> 
> Do you believe you will be given a higher access? So as you can librarily 
> delete other people's posts and spy on their mail? I think TFN has enough.

That's called libel, Nabil.

-- 
"Yeah. I was just sitting here drinking my coffee, eating my
muffin, playin' the incident in my head, when I had what 
alcoholics refer to as a "moment of clarity."

Visit the Conspiracy Arc-Hive!
http://www.netizen.org/Arc-Hive

On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:18:25 GMT, Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: Chris F.A. Johnson (bq933@torfree.net) wrote:

: : What do you mean by librarily?

: No comment.

No meaning, either.

: How does this help the TFN? ARe they necessay for TFN function? If the 
: answer is no to both accounts, then the TFN is better off cancelling 
: these suspicious looking (particularly when coupled with a suspicious 
: change of torfree.net internic registration). Do not tell me that someone 
: does this just for the 'fun of it'.

[snip]

: I told you. You have a way with words. However, you are fooling no one but
: yourself. Just names is nothing to worry about. It is the 'programming or
: configuration' behind the name that worries me. GTS does have its own web
: site http://www.gts.org/ why is it then that they need an alias of
: gts.torfree.net? Who approved that forced marriage in the first place,
: when and why? 

I suggest you go back over the archives. The reasons have been explained
before. You choose to ignore the explanation, or are you simply incapable
of understanding it? 

-- 
	Chris F.A. Johnson                bq933@torfree.net
	***  Executive Director, Toronto Free-Net Inc.  ***
	-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
	http://www.interlog.com/~cfaj     cfaj@interlog.com

Chris F.A. Johnson (bq933@torfree.net) wrote:
: On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:18:25 GMT, Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: : Chris F.A. Johnson (bq933@torfree.net) wrote:

: : How does this help the TFN? ARe they necessay for TFN function? If the 
: : answer is no to both accounts, then the TFN is better off cancelling 
: : these suspicious looking (particularly when coupled with a suspicious 
: : change of torfree.net internic registration). Do not tell me that someone 
: : does this just for the 'fun of it'.

: [snip]

: : I told you. You have a way with words. However, you are fooling no one but
: : yourself. Just names is nothing to worry about. It is the 'programming or
: : configuration' behind the name that worries me. GTS does have its own web
: : site http://www.gts.org/ why is it then that they need an alias of
: : gts.torfree.net? Who approved that forced marriage in the first place,
: : when and why? 

: I suggest you go back over the archives. The reasons have been explained
: before. You choose to ignore the explanation, or are you simply incapable
: of understanding it? 

Well, someday you will have to explain this to some people who know about
system administration more than you do. Till that day comes, I do not buy 
your 'explanations'.

-- 
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Nabil M. El-Khodari              \ / "Men use thought to justify their 
IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

karl mamer (kamamer@//cutthis//interlog.com) wrote:
: ad613@torfree.net (Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari) writes:

: > It beats me how a person who claims he can not find money to eat - 
: > and balming me for it - went to attend the last board meeting? 
: > 
: > Do you believe you will be given a higher access? So as you can librarily 
: > delete other people's posts and spy on their mail? I think TFN has enough.

: That's called libel, Nabil.

Thank you for the information, but what exactly are you referring to. The 
incident I am referring to was actually presented to the board and 
actually Nathan admitted to doing it to some board members. The case was 
closed after suspending Nathan's account for a week or two. So where is 
the libel?


-- 
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Nabil M. El-Khodari              \ / "Men use thought to justify their 
IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:21:15 GMT, Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: Nathan D Richards (enkil@nowhere.net) wrote:

: : They're just aliases.  I don't see what the big deal is, do you?

: That was not your opinion when we were researching this together. I guess 
: you have changed your mind. Now that you are trying to kiss ass to the 
: TFN board and sysadm. 

Perhaps Nathan has the capability of adding 2 + 2 and getting the right
answer.

: It beats me how a person who claims he can not find money to eat - 
: and balming me for it - went to attend the last board meeting? 

Ever heard of Shank's mare? And we do not charge admission to board
meetings (now, there's an idea!).

: Do you believe you will be given a higher access? So as you can librarily 

I really don't like to denigrate posts because of misspelling, etc.,
especially from one whose first langage is not English, but when it
totally obscures the meaning of the post, some comment is necessary:

What do you mean by librarily?

: delete other people's posts and spy on their mail? I think TFN has enough.

Nathan was reprimanded for issuing forged cancel messages; there never has
been any suggestion (not to mention evidence) that he spied on anyone's
mail.

: It is a shame that you started this whole fiasco because I told you that 
: the TFN is safer in Bruce's hands than in yours. I still have that 
: opinion, not that I like what Bruce is doing (or not doing most of the 
: time). If there are crazy people within the TFN board or the HW/SW 
: committee to consider giving you a higher access, I advise requesting a 
: psychological profile.

: Thank you however for this post, which I believe documents the existence 
: of both csas.tofree.net and gts.torfree.net, which Jordan vehemently 
: denies. Nevertheless, I shall try myself - through the TFN go url - to 
: access these two servers. I know that after my first postings they are no 
: more accessible through the WWW. What is the benefit of having these 
: aliases is something that I leave to the more techie people, which I am 
: not one. If there is no use to both GTS or CSAS then why they are there?

The reasons for the existance of gts.torfree.net and other aliases has
been explained to you several times. 

If people call you ad613@torfree.net or falcon@torfree.net, or even
Nabster, or el-goddamnyou, or whatever, does that diminish you in any way?
Are you less of a person for it?  Does it take anything away from you? 

No? Well, neither does an alias called gts.torfree.net take anything away
from the TFN.

-- 
	Chris F.A. Johnson                bq933@torfree.net
	***  Executive Director, Toronto Free-Net Inc.  ***
	-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
	http://www.interlog.com/~cfaj     cfaj@interlog.com

Chris F.A. Johnson (bq933@torfree.net) wrote:
: On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:21:15 GMT, Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: : Nathan D Richards (enkil@nowhere.net) wrote:

: Perhaps Nathan has the capability of adding 2 + 2 and getting the right
: answer.

If he does, he conceals such ability very well.

: : It beats me how a person who claims he can not find money to eat - 
: : and balming me for it - went to attend the last board meeting? 

: Ever heard of Shank's mare? And we do not charge admission to board
: meetings (now, there's an idea!).

Well, depend if you like farce or not. But certainly woese pursuing, may 
be the potential of being paid may bring in some long lost 'board' members.

: : Do you believe you will be given a higher access? So as you can librarily 

: I really don't like to denigrate posts because of misspelling, etc.,
: especially from one whose first langage is not English, but when it
: totally obscures the meaning of the post, some comment is necessary:

Thank you your royal highness for such a royal gesture.

: What do you mean by librarily?

No comment.

: : delete other people's posts and spy on their mail? I think TFN has enough.

: Nathan was reprimanded for issuing forged cancel messages; there never has
: been any suggestion (not to mention evidence) that he spied on anyone's
: mail.

I told you. You have a way with words. Did not enter your mind that I 
mean something else from personal experience (notice I used mail not 
e-mail?). For some one whose first language is English.....

: The reasons for the existance of gts.torfree.net and other aliases has
: been explained to you several times. 

How does this help the TFN? ARe they necessay for TFN function? If the 
answer is no to both accounts, then the TFN is better off cancelling 
these suspicious looking (particularly when coupled with a suspicious 
change of torfree.net internic registration). Do not tell me that someone 
does this just for the 'fun of it'.

: If people call you ad613@torfree.net or falcon@torfree.net, or even
: Nabster, or el-goddamnyou, or whatever, does that diminish you in any way?
: Are you less of a person for it?  Does it take anything away from you? 

: No? Well, neither does an alias called gts.torfree.net take anything away
: from the TFN.

I told you. You have a way with words. However, you are fooling no one but
yourself. Just names is nothing to worry about. It is the 'programming or
configuration' behind the name that worries me. GTS does have its own web
site http://www.gts.org/ why is it then that they need an alias of
gts.torfree.net? Who approved that forced marriage in the first place,
when and why? 
-- 
---------------------------O00Oo-   -o000O----------------------------
Nabil M. El-Khodari              \ / "Men use thought to justify their 
IP, TFN                           V  injustices, and speech to conceal 
                                  |  their thoughts"        -Voltaire-

Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:

	(cough, hack, puke!)

: Well, someday you will have to explain this to some people who know about
: system administration more than you do. Till that day comes, I do not buy 
: your 'explanations'.


	right.

	and as they will undoubtedly buy microkludge paeons, we can count 
they will be so busy resetting and reinstalling (and submitting to the 
obligatory hold on the "microbildge" at, how much is that 900 per hour?) 
they will never develop header diagnostic.

	right.
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