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4 total messages Started by Nabil M. El-Khodari (FITS) Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:00
TFN: Best wishes and apology (was re: TFN riddle & what is happening)
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Author: Nabil M. El-Khodari (FITS)
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:00
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Well, first of all there is a winner to the riddle, who actually pointed 
out to me that there was no riddle at all. It is a silly typo on my 
part. The winner is Marc Bissonett, Traesurer and TFN Board member.

I wish to apologize for that silly mistake, and I wish to also to point 
out the following facts:

- That I am personally happy to see that my fear had no grounds.
- That it was an honest mistake, which can be actually seen from my 
original posting that I have searched for the group GO5-ORG instead of 
TO5-ORG (look at the original posting and the keyboard to verify that). 
If I have meant this as fabrication of the truth, I would not have 
published the original post as is (copy showing where I went wrong 
follows).
- I do trust that the TFN board can and will take care of TFN business 
and save it if possible (which needs active membership support and 
actions on the municipal and federal levels of the government, more 
goodwill from the business community, and more openness of governorance 
to involve the TFN members in the day-to-day activities and problems of 
the TFN. 
- I wish to express my best wishes to Ed Carriere for whatever he plans 
to do. He has done a very good job in collecting links that are of 
interest to the Toronto Community. I hope that he will have no problem 
in making TFN incorporate his links to the TFN menu and hopefully in the 
future to the TFN new GUI. Of course he should be credited for that as 
usual. I now understand that it was not Ed Carrier who was making 
trouble to me, he did understand issues that I do not. In fact, in all 
this at least I can say is that Ed Carrier showed the traits of an 
excellent personality with a consistency and values that I wish to see 
in all working for TFN. He also handled the whole issue of the conflict 
diplomatically (a trait that I obviously lack) and professionally. I 
have no doubt in mind that he understands my point of view and that I 
could not possibly accept the responsibility of running an office when I 
do not know/understand why and who are the people that enjoy almost 
total control over the system that I am supposed to conduct the TFN 
day-to-day business on. He may know why, I do not.

Obviously most of TFN business runs on trust, I did not have that trust, 
the problem from my point of view is that there was nothing 'against' me 
except 'perceptions' from people, may be based on the fact that I am on 
welfare or other 'minority' issues. Moreover, I do not consider 
'trust' as a way to conduct 'business'. That does not mean I begin with 
mistrust, but actually as a measure for protecting what is obviously 
'public property' that I am double-responsible for it, as the office 
manager and as a board member. The problem with trust is that it takes 
long to build, and no body is sure what can happen to oneself tomorrow, 
so recording is essential.

Finally, I shall cease all my postings regarding the TFN board. I am 
happy that I am off the hook, there are many positive ideas to pursue 
that any one can follow, that these ideas could have been pursued 
through the TFN, e.g. multiligual sites for all, does not mean it cannot 
be pursued through community organizations, e.g. the Canadian Arab 
Federation for Arabic-speaking community. I hope it is still possible 
that TFN can act as the umberella for all ethnic/languistic communities, 
as its mandate is (well, remeber the question about what language you 
prefer to use when you first filled the on-line application?). This 
development needs TFN to adopt at least newer versions of software it 
already has (even for just text-browsers), or moving on to PPP, which 
though to my knowledge is currently HW-wise possible, but may need at 
least having faster modems to economically use the time allocation for 
the users. Any way, what the board will decide to do is up to the board 
(which I no longer consider myself part of though I could have forced 
myself on the board as I am an elected person, and that the motion did 
not 'carry' as postulated in the motion that was proposed _only_ in the 
last AGM that even, according to legal advice, is not 'constitutional'.

I have no time to pursue this issue - I am not a negative-oriented 
person - though it is worthy of pursual, but the negative consequences 
on TFN is NOT something that I personally find amusing.

Sincerely,

Nabil M. El-Khodari
--------------------- part of old post showing the mistake ---------
> Whois Query Results 
>   
> Toronto Free-Net TORFREE-DOM    c/o Ryerson Polytechical University    350 Victoria St.    Toronto, Ontario, M5B
> 2K3    Canada 
>    Domain Name: TORFREE.NET 
>    Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:       TFN Office  TO5-ORG                                                                ^^^^^^^
  office@TORFREE.NET       +1 416 979 9224   
> Technical Contact, Zone Contact:       Hostmaster  HOS342-ORG  hostmaster@TORFREE.NET       +1 416 699 1868 
>    Record last updated on 27-Dec-96.    Record created on 27-Jul-94. 
>    Domain servers in listed order: 
>    NS.TORFREE.NET               199.71.188.17    NS2.TORFREE.NET              199.71.188.24   
> NS.GTS.NET                   204.138.66.1 
>   
>  Hostmaster HOS342-ORG           hostmaster@TORFREE.NET    Toronto Free-Net    c/o Ryerson Polytechical
> University    350 Victoria St.    Toronto, ON; M5B 2K3    CA    +1 416 699 1868 
>    Record last updated on 27-Dec-96. 

>  Gonzalez, Oscar GO5-ORG thulsadoom@JUNO.COM             
                   ^^^^^^^
> (818)786-0548 
>    No known members of this organization. 

-- 
Nabil M. El-Khodari	  HTML Writers Guild	mailto:fits@4u.net
Web designer	 Software Contractors' Guild	Tel.: (416) 762-5135
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/3285/	Fax.: (416) 762-3490
President, FITS (Falcon International Teleco./Translation Services)
Re: TFN: Best wishes and apology (was re: TFN riddle & what is happening)
#6
Author: Scott M. Lucas
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:00
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Nabil M. El-Khodari (FITS) (fits@servtech.com) wrote:
: Well, first of all there is a winner to the riddle, who actually pointed 
: out to me that there was no riddle at all. It is a silly typo on my 
: part. The winner is Marc Bissonett, Traesurer and TFN Board member.

I will refrain from comment on this one as enough has been posted.

: Obviously most of TFN business runs on trust, I did not have that trust, 
: the problem from my point of view is that there was nothing 'against' me 
: except 'perceptions' from people, may be based on the fact that I am on 
: welfare or other 'minority' issues. Moreover, I do not consider 
  ^^^^^^^           ^^^^^^^^

Nabil ... that you would turn turn a blind eye to the fact that YOUR
personality ALONE is what caused ill will toward you, and choose to once
again deflect responsibility for your actions and blame others for having
racial or cultural bias toward you is of no surprise. 

You are very well practiced in the art of manipulation of other people,
facts and public perception to achieve your own goals.  You exploit 
as a weakness, the good-will and tolerance of other people and use it as a 
tool.


I shall remember what you have taught me about yourself.


: Finally, I shall cease all my postings regarding the TFN board.

Can WE ALL hold you to your word on this one?
-- 
Re: TFN: Best wishes and apology (was re: TFN riddle & what is happening)
#7
Author: Bob Allisat
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:00
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Nabil M. El-Khodari (FITS) (fits@servtech.com) wrote:
: I shall cease all my postings regarding the TFN board...

 ... and I shall sprout gossamer wings,            Tweet      yada
 turn purple with green & blue polka-dots,         Tweet      yada
 grow horns and merrily fly about pollinating      Tweet      yada
 wild flowers while humming the entire score       Tweet      yada
 to Aida with a cast of thousands in the nude.     Tweet      yada

                             Bob Allisat

   PO Box 191 Station E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2      (416) 588-0670
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Re: TFN: Best wishes and apology (was re: TFN riddle & what is happening)
#8
Author: Peter Philipp
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 00:00
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Nabil M. El-Khodari (FITS) (fits@servtech.com) wrote:

: Obviously most of TFN business runs on trust, I did not have that trust, 
: the problem from my point of view is that there was nothing 'against' me 
: except 'perceptions' from people, may be based on the fact that I am on 
: welfare or other 'minority' issues. Moreover, I do not consider 

I remember a posting between you and me last year that you stated something
along the lines of "you are too good for working at a fast-food joint", ok
I was really mad about this and was going to respond but decided not to 
because your attitude is not worth my time.  Thanks to those people that 
work at McDonalds or Burger King that keep their head up even though 
it's a shitty job (You are better off than welfare, you got pride).

Anyways my 'perception' of you was pretty negative, dunno what you woulda 
done in my shoes.  Forget the 'minority' issue, I'm sure people look at 
personality more than over race, if not well then my bubble is burst  again.

: 'trust' as a way to conduct 'business'. That does not mean I begin with 

'trust' to me is THE way to conduct business.  If I couldn't trust you on 
anything you would not be working with me because either I would have 
quit or you would have been fired (depending on who is boss).

: mistrust, but actually as a measure for protecting what is obviously 
: 'public property' that I am double-responsible for it, as the office 
: manager and as a board member. The problem with trust is that it takes 
: long to build, and no body is sure what can happen to oneself tomorrow, 
: so recording is essential.

: be pursued through community organizations, e.g. the Canadian Arab 
: Federation for Arabic-speaking community. I hope it is still possible 
: that TFN can act as the umberella for all ethnic/languistic communities, 
: as its mandate is (well, remeber the question about what language you 
: prefer to use when you first filled the on-line application?). This 

I think TFN is 'still' doing it ;) after all we are a multicultured 
community and why wouldn't they?  I think all this thing was about you 
and not the arab federation who had no part in your behaviour.

: development needs TFN to adopt at least newer versions of software it 
: already has (even for just text-browsers), or moving on to PPP, which 
: though to my knowledge is currently HW-wise possible, but may need at 
: least having faster modems to economically use the time allocation for 

I think it's a waste of time.  Information does not change due to pretty 
pictures.  And.....The web is lame!  I think in the present financial 
posti then TFN is in right now, 9600 BAUD modems sound more feasible than 
14.4 modems.  

: the users. Any way, what the board will decide to do is up to the board 
: (which I no longer consider myself part of though I could have forced 
: myself on the board as I am an elected person, and that the motion did 
: not 'carry' as postulated in the motion that was proposed _only_ in the 
: last AGM that even, according to legal advice, is not 'constitutional'.

: I have no time to pursue this issue - I am not a negative-oriented 
: person - though it is worthy of pursual, but the negative consequences 
: on TFN is NOT something that I personally find amusing.

: Sincerely,

: Nabil M. El-Khodari

I wish you well Nabil, take good care.

Peter
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