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Started by Judy Hallman
Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:46
Free-Net organizational Committee: Hardware & Software Issues; Set-up
Author: Judy Hallman
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:46
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1992 17:46
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I am posting this for Roy Crabtree. Please make a correction to my e-mail address below; my preferred address is Judy_Hallman@unc.edu. Thanks -- Judy ------------------------- Forwarded message: >From wolves!tcsrtp!royc@duke.cs.duke.edu Wed Aug 26 17:23:13 1992 From: tcsrtp!royc@duke.cs.duke.edu (roy andrew crabtree) X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: judy.hallman@lambada.oit.unc.edu Subject: Please netnews post this if you do not see it in 24 hours Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 17:05:05 EDT Message-Id: <9208262105.aa03229@tcsrtp.UUCP> Judy: tcsrtp is being reconfigurd; if I get into difficulty, the article may not post for 24-48 hours; pls post this to triangle.freenet and triangle.freenet.hwsw to get this agoing! If we double post, so be it. Do you think NC distribution is enough? Initial article follows: Newsgroups: triangle.freenet,triangle.freenet.hwsw Subject: Free-Net organizational Committee: Hardware & Software Issues; Set-up Followup-To: triangle.freenet.hwsw Distribution: nc Organization: Triangle Computer Society Keywords: free-net, internet, hardware resources, coordination Hi, folks; this is my first posting for the Free-Net Hardware/Software Organizing Committee. When you first see this posting, please email me so I can get back a response indicating this has actually posted everywhere. If I do not receive responses within a day I will assume my reverse newsfeed is broken. I will try to follow the recommended netnews guidelines for periodic and semi-official documents to allow organized scanning & searching; any suggestions and comments are welcome. Here goes: ------------------- Contents Introduction Schedules Membership Questions and Suggestions ------------------- Introduction Hi! Anyone is welcome to join in! The purpose of this group is to support the Free-Net effort recently underway here in the RTP triangle area (and basically NC in general; anyone else interested outside these areas, feel free to chime in, ask, suggest, ponder, etc.); our group charter is to look iinto questions surrounding the hardware and software that might be needed to support the initial (and future) needs of an active Free-Net (hereinafter freenet; I hate capitals....). What is freenet? Well, we should have a FAQ (Frequently Asked Qeustions) coming out soon, and there will be some chatter in triangle.freenet in more detail, but: the basic idea is: - to provide generally (and eventually universally) accessible - electronic information services - organized around a "community" or "town" basis (plus higher levels as the service grows) - on an open access, FREE OF CHARGE basis - tapping into the existing pool of expertise available within the communities using it. Sort of a Library-meets-Federal-Information-Center-at-the-drugstore. This committe has the particular charter to come up with solutions for hardware and software to support these efforts on a cost effective basis. We are just now organizing; anyone who wants to join in, please do so! (Pass the word on, as well). ------------------- Schedules Having met for the first freenet organization get-together as of yesterday, the general consensus of the initial membershipo (listed below) is to set goals quickly and attempt to meet them in a short timeframe; hence the group concurred that an initial two week discussion period should be enough to get started. Our schedule is as follows: 8/26/92 - 9/10/92 Initial newsgroup set-up; electronic mail and netnews discussion of the purpose and points of agenda for our group; first cut at establishing hardware/software needs and resource avenues and _dates_. 9/10/92 18:00-19:00 Where: At the Friday Center in Chapel Hill room to be posted Initial group physical get-together to _finalize_ this as a _proposal_ to the freenet group as a whole (to be considered and commented on then forward, as well as now) and begin acting on provisioning. (Tentative, of course; cross discussion with other groups and so on will lead to other concerns, and cross-coordination, funding, and timing will have to be worked out). ------------------- Membership PLease scan for errors of ommission or typos; email me or Judy Hallman with corrections. I will withhold telephone numbers, and physical addresses unless the consensus is that there is no privacy problem withposting this information; please email your comments, concerns, and suggestions as regards this. This will not be a trivial topic, because, as freenet starts to grow, data and information accessibility will be vitally important. As of 9/25/92, our initial signed membership is as follows: Name Group role Email address Judy Hallman Chief highhoncho and central contact point judy.hallman@bbs.oit.unc.edu Roy A. Crabtree INITIAL coordinator (I expect others to pitch in as well!) uunet!duke!wolves!tcsrtp!royc Mitchell North Member north@Polaris.com north@rad.unc.edu Henry Bibb Member bibb@ralum5.unet.ibm.com Dave Lutz Member dave_lutz@unet.ibm.com davelutz@unet.ibm.com%bit.net Paul Wells Member (no email as yet) Tim Arnold member arnold@stat.ncsu.edu Paul Jones Member paul_jones@unc.edu John Whitehead Member jfw@neuro.duke.edu Dan C. Eddleman Member (no email given) Greg Woodbury Member ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us (via duke.edu) Bill Evans uunet!duke!wolves!tcsrtp!cwe ------------------- Questions and Suggestions The whole point of the group is for everyone to chime in; this is just an initial list of what I have thought of or what was suggested to me in the initial group meeting; fire away with problems, and then try to come up with a concrete solution to it! 1) We have some members on the committee who do not have electronic access as yet. - Do we want/need to set up a hardcopy mechanism to touch bases via snailmail periodically? - There is the UNC ebbs system for 1200/2400/9600 baud access; will this be enough? Are there any members who do not have access to some terminal and modem/communication? At least one of us does not at the moment (Paul Wells); as freenet grows there may be enough need to set up some type of access path to get AND KEEP those folks out there who are NOT YET usenet-literate or who cannot afford the hardware/software connected to the groups involved with setting up freenet. That is the whole purpose of the thing to begin with. 2) Should we set up a series of freenet mail lists for each of the committees? Or will netnews be enough? (Some folks may not have a netnews feed). 3) Where should the group meet consistently? Where are the members currently located? (Preliminary responses indicate Chapel Hill to be convenient, and the Friday Center is available). 4) Do we want to post or mail out a full list of contact information (more than name and email) to the general netnews community at large or even to all of the members of the freenet groups in general (privacy concerns)? 5) What type of hardware, capacity, and speed do we need? - What kind OS (DOS, OS2, UNIX, other) Manufacturer Capacity Flexibility Growth - Capacities CPU rating: how many MIPS Memory: how many MB Disk storage: how much online MB Backing store: How much? what media? System location: room size, power, interconnect, staffing, access Telecommunications: Dial in lines, modems, speeds, protocols Initernet (CONCERT) - For what period Initial installation for trial period First year growth Successive year growth 6) Where will we be able to get this? - Will SAS allow a grant? Other companies? - Some systems support a "Task Broker" who can network offload tasks, and provide network transparent services. Do we want to try to start with this? Or use a simpler host startup? - Are there other avenues for access to resources that might be available, or sitting otherwise idle? University or public systems? Please start up the discussion and go at it! Questions? Email me! duke!wolves!tcsrtp!royc PS: tcsrtp will be down for a day or two reconfiguring ...
Re: Free-Net organizational Committee: Hardware & Software Issues; Set-up
Author: Tim Arnold
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 00:41
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1992 00:41
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So far, my machine is not aware of the triangle.freenet.hwsw group, so I thought I'd put my thoughts into this group. From the recent posting concerning questions the hardware/software committee should think about: What kind of OS What manufacturer What Capacity What about Flexibility Well, just to get some discussion started, what about: UNIX OS, seems like a natural to me, multi-user, networking built-in. Manufacturer: this may be like a religious question, but I'm pretty sure the SUN machines are running a freenet somewhere, so the software must be SUN compatible at least. I admit to some partiality here (I work on a Sun) and I promise to check on what machine types are running a couple of the freenets. Capacity: I don't have any idea, but disk space is fairly cheap (if that's the question--maybe the maximum number of users is the question?) Well, we want to be the best, right? Bill Hutchins said there were 96 users on Cleveland on a Saturday night, so does that mean we need at least 100 possible simultaneous users? So I'm thinking a Sun Sparc II at least (a Sparc 10 would be great with ISDN) Say 32meg memory? 1.5 gig disk, located in some small office in RTP. By the way, what about incorporating Gopher and WAIS into the machine? Are the current packages running on the FreeNets what we really want? Or maybe offer different access modes? I'll see what I can find out about the already existing freenets and post that ASAP. In the meantime, what do you think? -- Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Arnold Instructional Computing Internet: arnold@stat.ncsu.edu North Carolina State Univ. BITNET : ARNOLD@NCSUSTAT Dept. of Statistics, Raleigh NC 27695 Phone : 919 515 2584 FAX: 919 515 7591 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: triangle.freenet From: arnold@stat.ncsu.edu (Tim Arnold) Path: arnold Distribution: world Followup-To: Organization: Department of Statistics, NCSU Subject: hardware/software Keywords: So far, my machine is not aware of the triangle.freenet.hwsw group, so I thought I'd put my thoughts into this group. From the recent posting concerning questions the hardware/software committee should think about: What kind of OS What manufacturer What Capacity What about Flexibility Well, just to get some discussion started, what about: UNIX OS, seems like a natural to me, multi-user, networking built-in. Manufacturer: this may be like a religious question, but I'm pretty sure the SUN machines are running a freenet somewhere, so the software must be SUN compatible at least. I admit to some partiality here (I work on a Sun) and I promise to check on what machine types are running a couple of the freenets. Capacity: I don't have any idea, but disk space is fairly cheap (if that's the question--maybe the maximum number of users is the question? Well, we want to be the best, right? Bill Hutchins said there were 96 users on Cleveland on a Saturday night, so does that mean we need at least 100 possible simultaneous users? Flexibility and growth are big words for me. So I'm thinking a Sun Sparc II at least (a 10 would be great with ISDN) Say 32meg memory? 1.5 gig disk, located in some small office in RTP. By the way, what about incorporating Gopher and WAIS into the machine? Are the current packages running on the FreeNets what we really want? Or maybe offer different access modes? I'll see what I can find out about the already existing freenets and post that ASAP. In the meantime, what do you think? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Arnold Instructional Computing Internet: arnold@stat.ncsu.edu North Carolina State Univ. BITNET : ARNOLD@NCSUSTAT Dept. of Statistics, Raleigh NC 27695 Phone : 919 515 2584 FAX: 919 515 7591 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: triangle.freenet From: arnold@stat.ncsu.edu (Tim Arnold) Path: arnold Distribution: world Followup-To: Organization: Department of Statistics, NCSU Subject: hardware/software Keywords: So far, my machine is not aware of the triangle.freenet.hwsw group, so I thought I'd put my thoughts into this group. From the recent posting concerning questions the hardware/software committee should think about: What kind of OS What manufacturer What Capacity What about Flexibility Well, just to get some discussion started, what about: UNIX OS, seems like a natural to me, multi-user, networking built-in. Manufacturer: this may be like a religious question, but I'm pretty sure the SUN machines are running a freenet somewhere, so the software must be SUN compatible at least. I admit to some partiality here (I work on a Sun) and I promise to check on what machine types are running a couple of the freenets. Capacity: I don't have any idea, but disk space is fairly cheap (if that's the question--maybe the maximum number of users is the question? Well, we want to be the best, right? Bill Hutchins said there were 96 users on Cleveland on a Saturday night, so does that mean we need at least 100 possible simultaneous users? Flexibility and growth are big words for me. So I'm thinking a Sun Sparc II at least (a 10 would be great with ISDN) Say 32meg memory? 1.5 gig disk, located in some small office in RTP. By the way, what about incorporating Gopher and WAIS into the machine? Are the current packages running on the FreeNets what we really want? Or maybe offer different access modes? I'll see what I can find out about the already existing freenets and post that ASAP. In the meantime, what do you think? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Arnold Instructional Computing Internet: arnold@stat.ncsu.edu North Carolina State Univ. BITNET : ARNOLD@NCSUSTAT Dept. of Statistics, Raleigh NC 27695 Phone : 919 515 2584 FAX: 919 515 7591 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: triangle.freenet From: arnold@stat.ncsu.edu (Tim Arnold) Path: arnold Distribution: world Followup-To: Organization: Department of Statistics, NCSU Subject: hardware/software Keywords: So far, my machine is not aware of the triangle.freenet.hwsw group, so I thought I'd put my thoughts into this group. From the recent posting concerning questions the hardware/software committee should think about: What kind of OS What manufacturer What Capacity What about Flexibility Well, just to get some discussion started, what about: UNIX OS, seems like a natural to me, multi-user, networking built-in. Manufacturer: this may be like a religious question, but I'm pretty sure the SUN machines are running a freenet somewhere, so the software must be SUN compatible at least. I admit to some partiality here (I work on a Sun) and I promise to check on what machine types are running a couple of the freenets. Capacity: I don't have any idea, but disk space is fairly cheap (if that's the question--maybe the maximum number of users is the question? Well, we want to be the best, right? Bill Hutchins said there were 96 users on Cleveland on a Saturday night, so does that mean we need at least 100 possible simultaneous users? Flexibility and growth are big words for me. So I'm thinking a Sun Sparc II at least (a 10 would be great with ISDN) Say 32meg memory? 1.5 gig disk, located in some small office in RTP. By the way, what about incorporating Gopher and WAIS into the machine? Are the current packages running on the FreeNets what we really want? Or maybe offer different access modes? I'll see what I can find out about the already existing freenets and post that ASAP. In the meantime, what do you think? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Arnold Instructional Computing Internet: arnold@stat.ncsu.edu North Carolina State Univ. BITNET : ARNOLD@NCSUSTAT Dept. of Statistics, Raleigh NC 27695 Phone : 919 515 2584 FAX: 919 515 7591 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Arnold Instructional Computing Internet: arnold@stat.ncsu.edu North Carolina State Univ. BITNET : ARNOLD@NCSUSTAT Dept. of Statistics, Raleigh NC 27695 Phone : 919 515 2584 FAX: 919 515 7591 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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