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On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:00:10 GMT, George Alan Esworthy <gae@eLsworthy.com> wrote:
>>
>>Actually I dread a rise of an l14n party because I see such an event (if
>>it ever occurs) as then fostering a revival of Communism in the following
>>20-50 years.    
>
>This is truly one of the most bizarre statements (are we in the wrong
>newsgroup? :-) I've ever heard about l14nism's potential effects.  You
>cannot get farther apart on the political spectrum then l14nism and
>communism.  L14ns want you to keep 100% of what you produce/create.
>Communists want to take 100% of it away from you and then decide
>whether or not to give any of it back.

I calls it as I see it.  I see the l14n as wanting to turn back the clock.
The hands off, isolationist attitude says the little guy is gonna get
screwed.  The size of a CEO's salary compared to the average employee
salary has gone thru the roof.  All the l14n will do is increase the gap
between the haves and the havenots.

>
>The results aren't up to l14ns, the results are up to you.  Do with
>your liberty what you will.  Just don't use force or fraud to damage
>anybody else and you'll be left as completely alone as you want to be.

And when somebody does use force or fraud the l14n will sit around and go
tsk, tsk, tsk since the will be no government to keep the robber barons
honest.

>Then your perception of what l14nism is all about is faulty.  I'd
>hazard an educated guess that 80% of the legislation proposed by
>elected l14ns will be the repealing of existing laws, and the
>remaining 20% will be specific restrictions on what the gummint and
>bureaucrats are allowed to do.  

My perception of the l14n comes primarily from posts out here and l14n
news releases.  One recent one approved of the auction of a kidney on
eBay.  That position is simply sick, sicker, sickest.

There is no proof that repealing 80 % of the laws will do any good.  The
restriction of big business would be preferred to restriction of
government employees.

>groups have been granted exemption from the fraud laws.  In most cases
>it is the gummint protecting itself (can you say "sovereign immunity"
>boys and girls?), but sometimes the include their private sector
>cronies.

And nothing in human nature leads me to believe the l14n will be any
different as to cronyism.

>
>>As for the gummint teat analogy I only see
>>l14n members as additional teats.
>
>Absolute hogwash.  L14n candidates routinely turn down any form of
>subsidy during their campaigns.  Those who have been elected have
>universally bucked the pork barrel system and fought hard to kill the
>sow.  Any pol who funnels gummint buck$ to their constituents (or
>anybody else) is, by definition, not a l14n.

Well until the wolf gets in power it gotta act like a sheep.  Think there
will be spot changing if they ever get in office bigtime - but little
liklihood of that ever happening.

>
>>Sorry, but in politics like religion I remain a doubting Thomas.
>
>That's a good and healthy attitude.  Keep doubting, but I must
>respectfully suggest that you have formed a few misconceptions and one
>of the things you might want to doubt is your current set of
>assumptions and conclusions.

I have formed some conceptions as to where I see the l14n heading - they
ain't miss conceptions since but predictions.

-- 
Wes Dukes